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re: 8 team playoff
Posted on 11/27/19 at 1:19 pm to BearBait09
Posted on 11/27/19 at 1:19 pm to BearBait09
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The point I'm making is even with 2 games left to play, we have a scenario in which there are EIGHT teams with legit resumes for FOUR spots.
you just said it...we have 2 games left. AFter 13 games played we will not have 8 teams with legit resumes. That's why we will play these next 2 games.
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UCF may not have been up to the challenge of winning 3 straight agsinst top10 teams a few years ago, but its absolute garbage to say they didnt deserve the chance.
they didn't deserve the chance because the only team they played all season with a pulse was GD memphis. You want to run with the big boys start shceduling the big boys like FSU did in teh 70s and 80s and boise did in the early 00s.
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its ridiculous that the top division in college football is the only sport in America that leaves so much of the control for determining a national champion to the conversations of retired old people.
it also places the most emphasis on the regular season, which is a joy. How can you be against that?
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 1:20 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Invitational is subjective and biased.
False
And at least they take all games into account rather than some stupid format like conferences use now.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 1:32 pm to 3down10
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False
They are supposed to pick the four best teams. How do they do that, objectively?
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at least they take all games into account
Have you not been paying attention? No one knows how the frick they decide on who goes and who doesn't.
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some stupid format like conferences use now.
You mean divisional round-robin, with divisional champs playing in CCG? Isn't that pretty much how all professional sports determine their champions?
Posted on 11/27/19 at 1:52 pm to BearBait09
8 teams is by far the correct amount. FCS has 32 teams in the tournament for crying out loud. And 11 reg season games. That’s the way you do it
This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 11/27/19 at 1:58 pm to WG_Dawg
If those who are claiming that UCF didn’t deserve the chance a few years ago because the schedule being weak sauce, Clemson should have to follow the same rules. This P5 nonsense needs to be blown up. I don’t care if they are last year’s champ or not. Does NE automatically get invited to the playoffs because they won the SB last year? No. They have to earn it. By beating teams who are on their level. Nobody in the ACC is on Clemson’s level so they should be like English soccer leagues. Relegated to a smaller group. Or forced to play Big Ten or Big 12 teams in the cold and rain. Or forced to play better teams than A&M or USCe in the SEC. forced to play every game on the road with no fans and no friends lol.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 2:00 pm to BearBait09
I'd like to see an 8-team playoff with the first 2 rounds played on-campus. Make a rule that only Conference Champs get to host and take the first 4 seeds. Otherwise seeding is based upon computer formulas.
Assume no upsets:
*Alabama beats Auburn
*LSU beats A&M and Georgia
*Ohio State beats Minnesota
*Utah beats Oregon
*Oklahoma beats OK State and Baylor
1-seed: LSU (SEC Champs)
2-seed: Ohio State (BIG 10 Champs)
3-seed: Clemson (ACC Champs)
4-seed: Utah (PAC 12 Champs)
5-seed: Alabama (at large)
6-seed: Oklahoma (BIG 12 Champs)
7-seed: Georgia (at large #2)
8-seed: Minnesota (at large #3)
ROUND 1:
(8) Minnesota at (1) LSU in Baton Rouge
(7) Georgia at (2) Ohio St. in Columbus
(6) Oklahoma at (3) Clemson in Clemson
(5) Alabama at (4) Utah in Salt Lake City
ROUND 2 (Assuming no 1st round upsets):
(4) Utah at (1) LSU in Baton Rouge
(3) Clemson at (2) Ohio St. in Columbus
CHAMPIONSHIP:
Rotate every 3 years between Pasadena, Arlington, and Atlanta
Assume no upsets:
*Alabama beats Auburn
*LSU beats A&M and Georgia
*Ohio State beats Minnesota
*Utah beats Oregon
*Oklahoma beats OK State and Baylor
1-seed: LSU (SEC Champs)
2-seed: Ohio State (BIG 10 Champs)
3-seed: Clemson (ACC Champs)
4-seed: Utah (PAC 12 Champs)
5-seed: Alabama (at large)
6-seed: Oklahoma (BIG 12 Champs)
7-seed: Georgia (at large #2)
8-seed: Minnesota (at large #3)
ROUND 1:
(8) Minnesota at (1) LSU in Baton Rouge
(7) Georgia at (2) Ohio St. in Columbus
(6) Oklahoma at (3) Clemson in Clemson
(5) Alabama at (4) Utah in Salt Lake City
ROUND 2 (Assuming no 1st round upsets):
(4) Utah at (1) LSU in Baton Rouge
(3) Clemson at (2) Ohio St. in Columbus
CHAMPIONSHIP:
Rotate every 3 years between Pasadena, Arlington, and Atlanta
Posted on 11/27/19 at 2:07 pm to BearBait09
Go back to SEC winner goes to Sugar Bowl.
Or BCS.
Or play first round on campus before Christmas.
Or BCS.
Or play first round on campus before Christmas.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 7:03 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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They are supposed to pick the four best teams. How do they do that, objectively?
By basing it on facts and evidence. Do you think opinions can only be subjective or something?
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Have you not been paying attention? No one knows how the frick they decide on who goes and who doesn't.
4 best teams. At first I was completely against the idea, but they've gotten it right every year so far.
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You mean divisional round-robin, with divisional champs playing in CCG? Isn't that pretty much how all professional sports determine their champions?
No. It's not even how all college conferences determine their champions.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 7:20 pm to BearBait09
Judging from the one sided semi- final games the past four years, I’d say four may be too many. Eight teams is a joke. The conference championships are pretty much de facto elimination games so there you go.
Posted on 11/28/19 at 7:36 am to 3down10
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By basing it on facts and evidence.
What objective "facts" can you even use to determine if one team is better than another? Head-to-head results? If that were the case, you wouldn't have post season rematches of regular season games. LSU beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa 9-6 in 2011, that's an objective fact. What did it prove? Nothing.
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Do you think opinions can only be subjective or something?
Yes, otherwise they'd be called, "conclusions".
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4 best teams.
They don't even make public the criteria to determine this. "Best" is a subjective term.
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No. It's not even how all college conferences determine their champions.
Well then, wtf do you mean when you say...?
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some stupid format like conferences use now.
Which "stupid format"?
Posted on 11/28/19 at 7:37 am to BearBait09
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Ole Miss Fan
Posted on 11/28/19 at 7:38 am to BearBait09
I would be okay with 8 teams with the quarter and semi finals played at the higher seed home stadium. That would be pretty cool.
Clemson playing in Columbus in January
Alabama playing in Minnesota in January
Get them that NFL experience early
Clemson playing in Columbus in January
Alabama playing in Minnesota in January
Get them that NFL experience early
Posted on 11/28/19 at 7:43 am to BearBait09
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just wanna point out that this end of season record is possible and its a shame if it did the committee couldn't just say F*** it, they're all in.
I get where you're going with this and that argument has been made by a lot of people. Still, I don't like the idea of expanding the CFP. The whole idea was to ensure that #1 and #2 square off for a championship. I'm pretty certain that the number one and two teams are included within those top four. That is - as long as the playoff committee keeps focused and doesn't start playing around with the "eye-test" bull shyte. That's what caused all the problems in the previous systems.
I think it might be a good idea to use the former criteria for the BCS rankings to determine the best four teams and then let it work itself out from there.
Football isn't like basketball. You can't keep expanding the playoff field to include sixty-four teams. Keep it at four. The top two will be in there.
Posted on 11/28/19 at 7:54 am to Swamp Angel
I dont mind a 6-8 team playoff. I just want the 6-8 best teams. Dont want any limitations put on the committee such as they must put in conference or division champs. I wouldn't want a 2 or 3 loss team put in just because they were conference champs and a 1 loss team left out because they weren't conference champs.
Posted on 11/28/19 at 8:52 am to Swamp Angel
I think the way the four teams should be decided is that the old BCS is a third of the total, the AP is a third and CPC is one third.
First place is 10 points and tenth place is 1 point. The total of the three is the team score with the four highest scores in the playoffs. The BCS would be the analytical computer part, the AP and CPC would be the human factor. The CPC should only be former NFL coaches that know what they are seeing and no CFC member should be employed with an university
First place is 10 points and tenth place is 1 point. The total of the three is the team score with the four highest scores in the playoffs. The BCS would be the analytical computer part, the AP and CPC would be the human factor. The CPC should only be former NFL coaches that know what they are seeing and no CFC member should be employed with an university
Posted on 11/28/19 at 8:52 am to 3down10
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If your conference can't make it with an 8 team playoff, then maybe there is a good reason for it.
With 5 Power Conferences someone has to be left out even if al 5 of the winners go undefeated or have the same record.
Posted on 11/28/19 at 4:23 pm to Clemson81
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So demote the PAC-12 to the Group of Five. Problem solved.
If you don't know that the weakest p5 conference is the ACC then you aren't actually a Clemson fan, and I know this because you can't have been watching their games.
Posted on 11/28/19 at 4:35 pm to Clemson81
Clemson is not a conference doofus.
Posted on 11/28/19 at 4:54 pm to bbap
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i dont think there is anything I'm more opposed to than an 8 team playoff.
I’m with you. Wolf in sheep’s clothing. You think it’s more equitable when in reality it just gives the blue bloods another lifeline.
Posted on 11/28/19 at 5:10 pm to TigerDrive
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1. automatic bid for The 5 conference champions
This would work until the first season there's a 3-loss conf champ.
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