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re: 4th and 18 & Spike with 3 seconds left.... Here you go whiners.

Posted on 11/26/18 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/26/18 at 12:43 pm to
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hey seem bound and determined to go down with it, though


Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/26/18 at 12:51 pm to
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During OT, LSU had 5 penalties:

Personal foul - 8 yards


Easy and obvious call (and the refs missed targeting on Mond at the end of regulation so I'm not sure you want to go down that road). I've been big in decrying silly targeting penalties even on our opponents, but that was textbook.

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False start - 5 yards 


Procedural. 100% on LSU. And our false start would have been far more costly, so there goes the false start conspiracy theory.

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Delay of game - 5 yards 


100% objective call. Completely LSU's fault.

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Pass Interference - 1 yard 
Unsportsmanlike Mouthing off the Ref (GREEDY!!!) - 1 yard 



I mean, these were the same play, and even if we grant the PI was questionable, the jawing afterwards was not. And the whole thing was negated by TAMU's false start on the very next play.

So.....wtf are you bellyaching about?
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 12:52 pm
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 11/26/18 at 12:55 pm to
So you think Greedy says something dumb to the ref if he is NOT called?

It makes no difference but your counter is dumb.

The PI was a garbage call.

The Mond being ruled down was bad. Since when is an offensive player touching the ball with his knee down establishing control? Every fumble that was touched by the offensive player would basically be ruled dead.

I say all with an emphatic who gives a shite, win or lose it makes no difference in college football. The game was meaningless, just like the last Aggie LSU games. They didnt even play it on a real network.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:00 pm to
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you think Greedy says something dumb to the ref if he is NOT called?


Irrelevant. That's an issue of discipline. Bad calls happen all the time. Doesn't mean you get to pop off at the ref.

And, again, the TAMU penalty rendered the whole thing moot.

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your counter is dumb. 



It was a half yard penalty. It's a silly thing to point to as making any difference with regard to officiating.

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Since when is an offensive player touching the ball with his knee down establishing control?


Since forever.

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Every fumble that was touched by the offensive player would basically be ruled dead. 


Only if the offensive player had a knee or elbow or something else down signaling the end of the play.

Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:15 pm to
so a ball carrier loses the ball fumble on the ground, the play is whistled dead as soon as he touches it?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:16 pm to
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so a ball carrier loses the ball fumble on the ground, the play is whistled dead as soon as he touches it?



Only if the offensive player had a knee or elbow or something else down signaling the end of the play.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56262 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:18 pm to
But this has never been the call on a fumbled ball. The player would have to have control of the ball, which Mond did not have.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20373 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 2:22 pm to
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The player would have to have control of the ball, which Mond did not have.


What are you talking about?? He grabbed the end of the football before his knee even hit the ground. He stood up with the ball in the exact same position in his hand.

The ball never moves once he touches it.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46507 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 2:23 pm to
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therefore, ineligible. therefore, illegal formation.




It’s only a penalty if the ineligible player runs a route. It’s irrelevant on a spike.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56262 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 2:43 pm to
If that is a possession you must be very upset about the called incompletion on your TE

Posted by NorthTiger
Upper 40
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:00 pm to
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If you guys want to point at plays then the fumble/incomplete call is fair game. Could have gone either way.


Three plays tick me off about this game and you listed one of them. I have watched that catch and fumble dozens of times and see possession and two steps every time. The other two have nothing to do with A & M.

2. On our last possession in OT it’s 3rd and 4. The Aggies have stacked the box to protect against the run. How about trying a crazy, wild, trick play like using your TE or the quick slant we have used all season long. Make that play and we line up in victory formation. Have faith in your offense. Or,

3. Run the ball on that third down play and then run off all of the play clock before punting. Take the delay of game penalty. Don’t call for a timeout with 1 second showing on the play clock. If the game clock has one less second then and after the next to last play of the game the Tigers win.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58061 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:16 pm to
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I didn't even watch the game


I stopped reading right here.
Posted by Mr Shickadance
Member since Jul 2018
1125 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:21 pm to
I wasn't bitching. I was pointing out that A&M didn't make very many mistakes the whole game. When it counted, A&M had its share of penalties, including a 15-yard PI.

If there is anything to bitch about, it would be the lack of calls on A&M, but I have no video evidence, nor can I think of an example. Thus, A&M played a relatively mistake-free game.

I have actually been trying to get other LSU fans to stop their bitching.

Posted by Mr Shickadance
Member since Jul 2018
1125 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:29 pm to
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So you think Greedy says something dumb to the ref if he is NOT called?

It makes no difference but your counter is dumb.

The PI was a garbage call.

The Mond being ruled down was bad. Since when is an offensive player touching the ball with his knee down establishing control? Every fumble that was touched by the offensive player would basically be ruled dead.

I say all with an emphatic who gives a shite, win or lose it makes no difference in college football. The game was meaningless, just like the last Aggie LSU games. They didnt even play it on a real network.


That pass may have been not one that could have been caught in-bounds. That's the best argument I can make. In the video, you can clearly see Greedy keeping #13 from turning his body toward the ball. If the ball could have been caught in-bounds, it's a legit call. I am suspicious. As I understand, that is not a reviewable call. So, we're screwed.

Greed needs to STFU. He just makes things worse. No need for that shite.

Posted by AgCoug
Houston
Member since Jan 2014
5860 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:34 pm to
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That and our playcalling with 1st and goal at the 5


Our play calling on 1st and goal at the 1 was equally dubious. I get ya. Just glad we won.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:35 pm to
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so a ball carrier loses the ball fumble on the ground, the play is whistled dead as soon as he touches it?

If he was touching the ball when his knee was down and he started to stand up and continue the play after gaining possession, then yes. He would be down where the ball was when his knee was on the ground.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:39 pm to
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If that is a possession you must be very upset about the called incompletion on your TE

Two completely different scenarios.

That play is called incomplete all the time.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 3:40 pm
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56262 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 4:48 pm to
Yes they are two different ones. One had control and was transferring possession to the left hand. One had three fingers on a football pinned to the ground.

If that was a pass and Mond caught it against the ground does he possess control?

No. No he does not. And he did not have it then.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20373 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 5:33 pm to
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f that was a pass and Mond caught it against the ground does he possess contro


Not sure what this means. Rules for passes and fumbles are completely different. A trapped against the ground pass is incomplete every time.

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had three fingers on a football pinned to the ground.


You obviously haven't even seen the play or the ball. The ball was nose up and nose down, it was not laying on the ground. Mond had the nose of the ball in his palm and his fingers around the ball. He picked it up completely off the ground and stood up with it in this position. He changed his grip after it was above his waist.

Did any of you watch the game or a single replay? Your 3 fingers... trapped the ball against the ground... is total bullshite. That is not how it happened and not what a single video shows. Good god.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 5:34 pm
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58061 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 5:35 pm to
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NPC going to NPC


politard gonna paolitard
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