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re: 3/6 Schedule Matrix + Permanents
Posted on 1/19/24 at 12:47 pm to southernboisb
Posted on 1/19/24 at 12:47 pm to southernboisb
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Pods don't matter since they're perms
You are going to have a very hard time coming up with 6 Perms with each school.. especially if you use pods
For example.. who are Alabama’s Perms?
A1 Alabama
A2
A3
A4
B1
plus 3 perms for B1
C1
plus 3 perms for C1
D1
plus 3 perms for D1
You can line them out but one of those groups is likely to contain TX, OU, A&M, Missouri, so one of those has to be a Perm for Alabama
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:30 pm to BigBro
True. But it's better to match schools than choose only 1 (or remve ALL perms).
As I said, this is keeping ALL rivalry games, so we're just adding to them.
In your example, Aub. could be B1, Tn. as C1, & MSU as D1 (with Vandy, LSU, & Mizz. as A2/3/4). Your rivals DON'T have to be in your pod & that game is still played. I got that idea when they kept listing Aub. & Ga. in separate pods & DSOR played as "non-conf." or when their respective pods met. Sorry, but a conf. opponent means CONF. GAME!
As I said, this is keeping ALL rivalry games, so we're just adding to them.
In your example, Aub. could be B1, Tn. as C1, & MSU as D1 (with Vandy, LSU, & Mizz. as A2/3/4). Your rivals DON'T have to be in your pod & that game is still played. I got that idea when they kept listing Aub. & Ga. in separate pods & DSOR played as "non-conf." or when their respective pods met. Sorry, but a conf. opponent means CONF. GAME!
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:39 pm to southernboisb
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In your example, Aub. could be B1, Tn. as C1, & MSU as D1 (with Vandy, LSU, & Mizz. as A2/3/4).
TN and Vandy wouldn’t play this way. It gets complicated quick.
A - B - C - D
1 - AL - TN - LSU - TX
2 - AUB - GA - FL - OU
3 - MS - SC - OM - A&M
4 - KY - V - ARK - MIZ
Tho might work but I suspect some will hate it.. no idea makes everyone happy.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:48 pm to BigBro
I was just giving an example of where perms can fall.
In your chart, since they aren't in the same pod, they would be kept as perms from their respective pods.
My overall point was to KEEP games.
In your chart, since they aren't in the same pod, they would be kept as perms from their respective pods.
My overall point was to KEEP games.
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:49 pm to UKWildcats
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Kentucky is going to want Tennessee and Vanderbilt. Egregious OP.
Everyone including the conference wants to give us Vandy but most of us would rather have UK. It's a two sport rivalry. Vandy is in-state but in a world of slimmed down rivalries (which sucks - frick you newbies for fricking everything up) UK is more important.
Tennessee-Kentucky share an entire north/south border meaning almost everyone in each state has at least some connection to the other. Vanderbilt, otoh, has become more of an island in Nashville, especially since they've dropped off in basketball.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:51 pm to southernboisb
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You could give Tenn. SC & UGA Kentucky. Nobody else would be changed.
Except South Carolina and UGA aren't our rivals.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:54 pm to BigBro
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Tho might work but I suspect some will hate it.. no idea makes everyone happy.
True, but reduction of perm. opponents will cause more unrest.
There have been suggestions about certain teams keeping perms & others not. The problem with that was those withOUT perms rotated through everybody about 3X before those WITH perms did once. How is that considered "balanced & fair"?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:57 pm to southernboisb
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My overall point was to KEEP games.
I’m on board with keeping games..
Which games are “must keep” games in your opinion?
1. Alabama vs Auburn
2. Auburn vs Georgia
3. Georgia vs Florida
4. Tennessee vs Alabama
5. Tennessee vs Vanderbilt
6. Ole Miss vs Miss State
7. LSU vs Ole Miss
8. Tennessee vs Florida
9. Texas vs Oklahoma
10. Texas vs Texas A&M
11. Kentucky vs Vanderbilt
12. Oklahoma vs Missouri
13. Texas vs. Arkansas
14. Ole Miss vs Arkansas
15. Alabama vs Miss State
You agree with all those? Any others?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:57 pm to Prof
& SC isn't ours. 
Posted on 1/19/24 at 2:00 pm to Prof
So you want TN to play Alabama, Kentucky and Vanderbilt each year? rotate the rest?
Where does the Florida game fall in line there?
Where does the Florida game fall in line there?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 2:00 pm to BigBro
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. Alabama vs Auburn
2. Auburn vs Georgia
3. Georgia vs Florida
4. Tennessee vs Alabama
5. Tennessee vs Vanderbilt
6. Ole Miss vs Miss State
7. LSU vs Ole Miss
8. Tennessee vs Florida
9. Texas vs Oklahoma
10. Texas vs Texas A&M
11. Kentucky vs Vanderbilt
12. Oklahoma vs Missouri
13. Texas vs. Arkansas
14. Ole Miss vs Arkansas
15. Alabama vs Miss State
You agree with all those? Any others?
Tennessee: 1. BAMA 2. UK/UF
Vandy
Posted on 1/19/24 at 2:02 pm to BigBro
quote:
1. Alabama vs Auburn (yes)
2. Auburn vs Georgia (yes)
3. Georgia vs Florida (yes)
4. Tennessee vs Alabama (yes)
5. Tennessee vs Vanderbilt (yes)
6. Ole Miss vs Miss State (yes)
7. LSU vs Ole Miss
8. Tennessee vs Florida
9. Texas vs Oklahoma (yes)
10. Texas vs Texas A&M (yes)
11. Kentucky vs Vanderbilt
12. Oklahoma vs Missouri
13. Texas vs. Arkansas
14. Ole Miss vs Arkansas
15. Alabama vs Miss State (yes)
9 = yes
6 = I don't know their history so I can't make a valid decision.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 2:08 pm to BigBro
Sorry I misread that then. I agree with you on those three
Posted on 1/19/24 at 2:09 pm to BigBro
quote:Need more posters like you in this place. Props.
BigBro
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:19 pm to Wolfhound45
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Need more posters like you in this place. Props.
I like the puzzle part of it, but it seems there is even a division amongst fans at some schools.. that makes it hard, but I know it isn't gonna make a damn bit of a difference either way, but I keep trying!
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:28 pm to Old Sarge
Awesome that there are people interested in this! 
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:30 pm to BigBro
Let me go ahead & ask it:
In your opinion, is it BETTER to go to 9 games?
Or does it not matter since the challenges faced with 8 or 9 games?
In your opinion, is it BETTER to go to 9 games?
Or does it not matter since the challenges faced with 8 or 9 games?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 5:17 pm to southernboisb
Many people cite the “unfairness” of having traditional powers as their permanent opponents. In particular, that was the argument by Alabama.
But the thing is that in a 9-game schedule, the permanent opponents are only 1/3rd of the schedule.
However let’s say there’s a demarcation between TOP 8 and BOTTOM 8. If Alabama has 3 TOP 8 teams as permanents, and they themselves are a TOP 8 team, then there are 4 TOP 8 and 8 BOTTOM 8 teams to choose for their other 6 opponents. If those are divided up evenly, they would have 5 TOP 8 opponents and 4 BOTTOM 8 opponents each year.
Now, consider LSU, who are said to have 2 TOP 8 and 1 BOTTOM 8 team as permanents. This leaves 5 TOP 8 and 7 BOTTOM 8 for rotating. One year they would get 2 TOP and 4 BOT and the other year they would get 3 TOP and 3 BOT to round out their schedules, so they would end with 4 TOP 8/5 BOT 8 one year and 5 TOP 8/4 BOT 8 the next.
So hardly the huge disadvantage that it’s been made out to be. When you consider the rise and fall of programs through the years, sometimes a bottom 8 team may be a tougher opponent than a top 8 team (looking at you, Tennessee).
But the thing is that in a 9-game schedule, the permanent opponents are only 1/3rd of the schedule.
However let’s say there’s a demarcation between TOP 8 and BOTTOM 8. If Alabama has 3 TOP 8 teams as permanents, and they themselves are a TOP 8 team, then there are 4 TOP 8 and 8 BOTTOM 8 teams to choose for their other 6 opponents. If those are divided up evenly, they would have 5 TOP 8 opponents and 4 BOTTOM 8 opponents each year.
Now, consider LSU, who are said to have 2 TOP 8 and 1 BOTTOM 8 team as permanents. This leaves 5 TOP 8 and 7 BOTTOM 8 for rotating. One year they would get 2 TOP and 4 BOT and the other year they would get 3 TOP and 3 BOT to round out their schedules, so they would end with 4 TOP 8/5 BOT 8 one year and 5 TOP 8/4 BOT 8 the next.
So hardly the huge disadvantage that it’s been made out to be. When you consider the rise and fall of programs through the years, sometimes a bottom 8 team may be a tougher opponent than a top 8 team (looking at you, Tennessee).
Posted on 1/19/24 at 5:36 pm to southernboisb
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& SC isn't ours
Trust me we don't consider UGA a rival either. Totally fine with most SC fans if that game gets dropped. The SEC will most likely put us together though.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 5:36 pm to southernboisb
quote:
Let me go ahead & ask it:
In your opinion, is it BETTER to go to 9 games?
Or does it not matter since the challenges faced with 8 or 9 games?
It depends.
9 games would definitely be harder than 8 games.. but I would much rather watch that 9th game than play Scrub U and beat them by 40 points every year.
That being said, if I am in playoff contention, and I have a 25% chance of losing that 9th game vs a 1% chance of losing that game against Scrub U.. that would suck pretty bad to miss the playoffs because of it.. but it would also mean my team isn't as good as I thought they were.
Ultimately, I would rather play 10 SEC games each year and 1 B1G OOC game and 1 warm up game. But that's me and I would rather play good competition every week. My team will either be up to the challenge or they will have to get better. Making the playoffs because of a weak schedule would imply that I'm going to get my arse taken to the cleaners once I get there.. and that defeats the purpose.
I want National Championships. You have to make the playoffs in order to do that, but you also have to have a pretty damn good team once you get there.
Give me as many good games as possible.
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