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re: 3-5 Pod Conference Scheduling, When?
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:36 am to paperwasp
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:36 am to paperwasp
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Something like this across all major conferences would be the first needed step in normalizing schedules for an expanded College Football Playoff, IMO.
Agreed. It would depend solely depend on how many teams are in each P5 conference and how many games that conference plays each year. Here's what I think you would best for each P5 conference:
Big 12: Uneffected. There's only 10 teams and 9 conference games. Everyone already plays each other.
Big 10: There's 14 teams and 9 conference games. Because it would be an odd number. You would have 3 annual rivals, and 5 biannual conference games. Then for the 9th game have a rotation based on odd and even years.
ACC: Assuming this becomes standard across the NCAA then Notre Dame would be essentially be required to join a conference (if not it would be identical to the Big 10) and the metric is very similar to how the SEC would work. You would have 15 teams with 9 conference games. So you'd have 4 annual rivals instead of 3, and the remaining 5 conference games would alternate biannually.
Pac-12: 12 teams and 9 conference games. The best option would be to have 3 annual rivals, and 4 biannual games, and the other 2 would rotate between odd and even years (like the Big 10).
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Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:37 am to ChadThundercock
This works for UGA. The only two rivalries we care about stay intact. And we don't lose a home game by going to 9 game schedule, so we can keep our Georgia Tech Game, and we can keep our OOC's vs ND/Clemson/Oklahoma that are already on the books.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:40 am to deeprig9
Agreed. I’m a fan of this plan cause it protects the things that matter and allows the league to see more of the other side more often. Best of both worlds IMO.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:45 am to ChadThundercock
Give Bama Ole Miss and give Arkansas LSU and it is balanced out
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:25 am to ChadThundercock
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Even with a 9 game schedule, it would still take 7-8 years to trade a home and home. Plus, you're SOS would get exponentially more difficult than it already was. Maybe you could justify it making the schedule more difficult if the NCAA expands the playoffs to 8. You'd also have to drop another G5 or FCS team from your schedule, and a lot of those programs depend on the money they are paid out from those games for funding most of their season.
Nonsense. With a 9 game schedule you would see every team in the other division twice in six years, even keeping the one permanent rival. It would, like you say, make the schedule harder if you keep the required 1 P5 OOC rule in place, because everyone would be playing 10 P5 opponent instead of 9 P5 opponents. Although some schools like UGA and USC regularly play 2 P5 OOC opponents.
The real reason the league hasn’t gone to a 9 game schedule is because it would lower the inventory of OOC games for the SECN.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:38 am to StopRobot
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Bama the only school with three big six schools as permanent opponents. LSU the only big six school with one bix six school as a permanent opponent. Seems fair.
In the past 10 years the Aggies have been better than UT. Plus, the added 5 games evens it out. LSU gets more power 6 teams in the other 5 than Bama does. Pruitt may change things, but right now UT is not Big 6.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:40 am to ChadThundercock
Not playing LSU every year? frick that.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:42 am to ChadThundercock
I'd love this idea. My biggest gripe about scheduling rn is the lack of rotating opponents.
This looks like it protects all the cross division games that schools want preserved, but gives all teams the opportunity to play each other more regularly.
This looks like it protects all the cross division games that schools want preserved, but gives all teams the opportunity to play each other more regularly.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:47 am to ChadThundercock
Playing South Carolina, Missouri, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt every year is about as boring as it gets. Just nothing programs that do not move the needle whatsoever.
Would do anything to see Auburn and LSU pop up on the schedule more often.
Would do anything to see Auburn and LSU pop up on the schedule more often.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 12:17 pm to The Balinese Club
I understand what your saying. With a 9 game schedule, Texas A&M's cross-division schedule should look something like this, and rotate every 6 years:
2020: Vanderbilt, at Mizzou
2021: Florida, at Tennessee
2022: Georgia, at Kentucky
2023: Mizzou, at Vanderbilt
2024: Tennessee, at Florida
2025: Kentucky, at Georgia
2026: Vanderbilt, at Mizzou
However, because the SEC requires you to split the same number of home and away games each year it would create an imbalance on the number of teams you would have to play, and push one team behind another you've already played. For example, Auburn played Tennessee at home in 2018, and Florida on the road in 2019. You would think that Auburn would play at Tennessee in 2024, and Florida at home in 2025 if they were following a rotation. But because Auburn has to play their cross-division team on the road in odd years and at home in even years; they actually have to play Florida again in 2024 before going to Tennessee in 2025. This would take the time complete a home and home series with 9 conference games to 7 years. Even if you were to have half the conference play 5 home & 4 away on even years and the other half of the conference do the same on odd years, you would still run into the same issue. Also, you talked about out-of-conference games. If they moved to 9 conference games and UGA wanted to retain their GA Tech rivalry, along with a another P5 season opener; 11 of their 12 regular season games would be against P5 opponents. That's way too much to ask of someone who is just trying to keeps it's traditions.
2020: Vanderbilt, at Mizzou
2021: Florida, at Tennessee
2022: Georgia, at Kentucky
2023: Mizzou, at Vanderbilt
2024: Tennessee, at Florida
2025: Kentucky, at Georgia
2026: Vanderbilt, at Mizzou
However, because the SEC requires you to split the same number of home and away games each year it would create an imbalance on the number of teams you would have to play, and push one team behind another you've already played. For example, Auburn played Tennessee at home in 2018, and Florida on the road in 2019. You would think that Auburn would play at Tennessee in 2024, and Florida at home in 2025 if they were following a rotation. But because Auburn has to play their cross-division team on the road in odd years and at home in even years; they actually have to play Florida again in 2024 before going to Tennessee in 2025. This would take the time complete a home and home series with 9 conference games to 7 years. Even if you were to have half the conference play 5 home & 4 away on even years and the other half of the conference do the same on odd years, you would still run into the same issue. Also, you talked about out-of-conference games. If they moved to 9 conference games and UGA wanted to retain their GA Tech rivalry, along with a another P5 season opener; 11 of their 12 regular season games would be against P5 opponents. That's way too much to ask of someone who is just trying to keeps it's traditions.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 12:27 pm to Auburn80
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In the past 10 years the Aggies have been better than UT. Plus, the added 5 games evens it out. LSU gets more power 6 teams in the other 5 than Bama does. Pruitt may change things, but right now UT is not Big 6.
and from 2000-2007 Bama wasnt a Big 6 team. From 88-95 LSU wasnt. Its all cyclical.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 9:49 pm to ChadThundercock
A - no divisions.....HELL NO!!! They sort the standings for 1/2 the conference WITHOUT the need of tie-breakers
B - UGA "must play game with SC".....change that to anybody else
C - should the scheduling format be corrected.....DEFINITELY!!!
B - UGA "must play game with SC".....change that to anybody else
C - should the scheduling format be corrected.....DEFINITELY!!!
Posted on 4/10/20 at 9:54 pm to The Balinese Club
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Balinese Club
3-5 Pod Conference Scheduling, When?
Ain’t nothing a 9 game schedule wouldn’t fix.
Unfortunately, the 9 game conf. schedule/7 required H games @ Sanford Stadium/annual COFH rivalry game combo doesn't work for UGA.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 9:56 pm to Pelican fan99
This ISN'T pods, but somebody's idea of "must play games".
Pods will be when we have 4 teams in 4 groups (16 members).
Pods will be when we have 4 teams in 4 groups (16 members).
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:04 pm to deeprig9
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deeprig9
3-5 Pod Conference Scheduling, When?
This works for UGA. The only two rivalries we care about stay intact. And we don't lose a home game by going to 9 game schedule, so we can keep our Georgia Tech Game, and we can keep our OOC's vs ND/Clemson/Oklahoma that are already on the books.
You might want to rethink this.
9 conf. games
4H conf. games
5A conf. games
H - COFH vrs. GT
H - Game 11
H - Game 12
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7 required H games @ Sanford Stadium
5H conf. games
4A conf. games
A - COFH vrs. GT
H - Game 11
H - Game 12
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7 required H games @ Sanford Stadium
WHO on Earth is UGA going to schedule for those 2 games knowing we'll NEVER be able to play @ their location???
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:09 pm to ChadThundercock
Wow - you realized how this idea isn't so good afterall. 
Posted on 4/11/20 at 12:46 pm to southernboisb
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This ISN'T pods, but somebody's idea of "must play games".
Pods will be when we have 4 teams in 4 groups (16 members).
Call it whatever you want.
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You might want to rethink this.
9 conf. games
4H conf. games
5A conf. games
H - COFH vrs. GT
H - Game 11
H - Game 12
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7 required H games @ Sanford Stadium
5H conf. games
4A conf. games
A - COFH vrs. GT
H - Game 11
H - Game 12
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7 required H games @ Sanford Stadium
This metric is designed to have 8 conference games, not 9. Most teams would have 4 at home and 4 away, just as it is today. Because of the match with UF, you'd still have 7 home games. Those remaining games would be slated for out-of-conference openers, G5, and FCS teams. Georgia's schedule would look similar to this:
Odd Years:
Game 1 - (H) Out-of-Conference
Game 2 - (H) Group of 5/FCS
Game 3 - (H) SEC #1
Game 4 - (H) Group of 5/FCS
Game 5 - (A) SEC #2
Game 6 - (A) SEC #3 (Auburn)
Game 7 - (H) SEC #4
Game 8 - (N) SEC #5 (Florida)
Game 9 - (H) SEC #6 (South Carolina)
Game 10 - (A) SEC #7
Game 11 - (H) SEC #8
Game 12 - (A) Georgia Tech
Even Years:
Game 1 - (A) Out-of-Conference
Game 2 - (H) Group of 5/FCS
Game 3 - (A) SEC #1
Game 4 - (H) Group of 5/FCS
Game 5 - (H) SEC #2
Game 6 - (H) SEC #3 (Auburn)
Game 7 - (A) SEC #4
Game 8 - (N) SEC #5 (Florida)
Game 9 - (A) SEC #6 (South Carolina)
Game 10 - (H) SEC #7
Game 11 - (A) SEC #8
Game 12 - (H) Georgia Tech
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WHO on Earth is UGA going to schedule for those 2 games knowing we'll NEVER be able to play @ their location???
Group of 5 and FCS teams. Do you except to play on the road at ULM after this year?
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Wow - you realized how this idea isn't so good afterall.
Seems a little impertinent. Thanks for spamming my thread, very cool.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 1:35 pm to StopRobot
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Bama the only school with three big six schools as permanent opponents. LSU the only big six school with one bix six school as a permanent opponent. Seems fair.
This guy thinks 20 years ago is more relevant than current status. Everyone look at this guy.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:03 pm to StopRobot
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Bama the only school with three big six schools as permanent opponents. LSU the only big six school with one bix six school as a permanent opponent. Seems fair
Yeah, Bama is not signing up for that. Losing Vandy as a permanent divisional cross rival was a traumatic hissy fit.
MSU is their oldest rivalry in terms of games played. They are in each other's backyards. Bama would be UT, Auburn and MSU or they'd threaten to take their ball and go home.
I don't think any would get 3 Big Six (+aTm) teams if avoidable.
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:19 pm to Che Boludo
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Bama would be UT, Auburn and MSU or they'd threaten to take their ball and go home.
If they decide to go this route, there is a possibly that they would just use the same 3 rivals that basketball currently uses for its annual schedule (below). I'm sure that regardless of any model they make, someone will have a gripe. If I was commissioner, I'd base it solely on historical rivalries instead of recent big time match-ups like LSU-Alabama. I'd give Alabama (MSU, Auburn, UT) and give LSU to Arkansas instead.
Basketball Permanent Rivalries
Alabama: Auburn, Mississippi State, LSU
Arkansas: Missouri, Texas A&M, LSU
Auburn: Alabama, Ole Miss, Georgia
Florida: Kentucky, Georgia, Vanderbilt
Georgia: South Carolina, Florida, Auburn
Kentucky: Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Texas A&M, Alabama, Arkansas
Ole Miss: Mississippi State, Auburn, Missouri
Mississippi State: Ole Miss, Alabama, South Carolina
Missouri: Arkansas, Texas A&M, Ole Miss
South Carolina: Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi State
Tennessee: Vanderbilt, Kentucky, South Carolina
Texas A&M: LSU, Arkansas, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida
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