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Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:18 am to djsdawg
Thinking the same thing.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:48 am to djsdawg
Call me when Kirby starts the Paul Oliver Network.
Let’s end the Richt comparisons after this, it’s a distraction to my central point.
Every player that did something stupid and unrepentant under Richt, at a time with rules were far more stringent, was dismissed. Moreover, only a couple were notable star players / potential leaders. Crowell and Ealey we’re both dismissed for their b/s, which was directly related to their character and priorities.
Here’s a decent summary: Fansided: Most Notorious Players under Richt
Let’s end the Richt comparisons after this, it’s a distraction to my central point.
Every player that did something stupid and unrepentant under Richt, at a time with rules were far more stringent, was dismissed. Moreover, only a couple were notable star players / potential leaders. Crowell and Ealey we’re both dismissed for their b/s, which was directly related to their character and priorities.
Here’s a decent summary: Fansided: Most Notorious Players under Richt
Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:52 am to Demosthenian
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Call me when Kirby starts the Paul Oliver Network.
Ideally one of Kirby’s former players doesn’t kill themselves because they have no idea how to live after football is no longer an options. He’s implemented a ton behind the scenes in the way of professional education and mental health services for his teams specifically to avoid a guy ever getting to that point again.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:53 am to tylerdurden24
At the rate LSU is going, they will name Jalen Carter as their next Head Football coach. Jalen certainly would not order an intern up on scaffolding on a windy day.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:02 am to tylerdurden24
Great to hear. Shame it’s content to be kept behind the scenes.
Wish he would champion something similar coming out of this for players under his care to make smarter choices as they come to understand what it means, not only to be stewards of the reputation of UGA, but also (selfishly to them) how to handle the incredible and rare opportunity they have to succeed on their talents without jeopardizing their futures through stupid decisions, involvement in problematic circumstances, and associating with hangers-on that would cause them to fail.
Last post on this. Again, it’s a black eye for the University, it’s diminishes UGA’s reputation to the detriment of every student and alumni, Kirby has yet to step up and be the leader of men I would expect, and this confirms a pattern of entitlement and enablement that UGA may have a real culture problem. A deep re-assessment of priorities, i.e. winning at what reasonable cost, need to occur
Wish he would champion something similar coming out of this for players under his care to make smarter choices as they come to understand what it means, not only to be stewards of the reputation of UGA, but also (selfishly to them) how to handle the incredible and rare opportunity they have to succeed on their talents without jeopardizing their futures through stupid decisions, involvement in problematic circumstances, and associating with hangers-on that would cause them to fail.
Last post on this. Again, it’s a black eye for the University, it’s diminishes UGA’s reputation to the detriment of every student and alumni, Kirby has yet to step up and be the leader of men I would expect, and this confirms a pattern of entitlement and enablement that UGA may have a real culture problem. A deep re-assessment of priorities, i.e. winning at what reasonable cost, need to occur
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 10:04 am
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:07 am to Demosthenian
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Wish he would champion something similar coming out of this for players under his care to make smarter choices as they come to understand what it means, not only to be stewards of the reputation of UGA, but also (selfishly to them) how to handle the incredible and rare opportunity they have to succeed on their talents without jeopardizing their futures through stupid decisions, involvement in problematic circumstances, and associating with hangers-on that would cause them to fail.
How do we know that he hasn't already?
He doesn't owe me, you, or anyone else but his guys an explanation.
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Kirby has yet to step up and be the leader of men I would expect, and this confirms a pattern of entitlement and enablement
Again, complete conjecture on your part.
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it’s a black eye for the University
LOL. This will be forgotten about come fall camp.
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A deep re-assessment of priorities, i.e. winning at what reasonable cost, need to occur
So you don't want to see UGA win/compete for national titles in football?
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 10:11 am
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:23 am to Demosthenian
I can appreciate what you’re saying Demo but you are way out over your skis.
We all love the University even if I’m near diametrically opposed to its current political leanings. Your contention that the general student body is overly impacted by the the football teams prioritization, special treatment, and supposed anarchy is an incredible overreach on every count.
Money amplifies personality. If your are young and stupid money enables greater lengths of youthful stupidity. We've professionalized college football, without the life coaching instrumentation that the NFL, NBA, and MLB has to resource these young guys to make better decisions in the face of wealth they’ve never had. And at the pro level it’s far from 100%.
Kirby can provide great leadership and operational excellence. He can’t force kids to make good decisions. He can punish a repeat offender, but he cant helicopter the decisions of a kid who is a legal adult in the eyes of the law.
We all love the University even if I’m near diametrically opposed to its current political leanings. Your contention that the general student body is overly impacted by the the football teams prioritization, special treatment, and supposed anarchy is an incredible overreach on every count.
Money amplifies personality. If your are young and stupid money enables greater lengths of youthful stupidity. We've professionalized college football, without the life coaching instrumentation that the NFL, NBA, and MLB has to resource these young guys to make better decisions in the face of wealth they’ve never had. And at the pro level it’s far from 100%.
Kirby can provide great leadership and operational excellence. He can’t force kids to make good decisions. He can punish a repeat offender, but he cant helicopter the decisions of a kid who is a legal adult in the eyes of the law.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:41 am to Pulpwood Patterson
Body cam video… He was pulled over doing 90 in a 45 in September. The cop told him the following things
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:42 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Of course he owes people beyond “only the players” an explanation. How myopic. You think JoePa, Briles, Meyer, Nate Oats, Freeze, Durkin, etc. don’t owe anyone an explanation beyond the players or victims?
He’s the leader of the largest Revenue-generating operation of the flagship university in the 8th largest state (by GDP). His decisions have direct impact to the University, and all the people, students, employees, and beneficiaries of UGA.
This is about being a leader the right way, building a program the right way, winning at an acceptable cost (since nothing is infallible or entirely reconcilable).
Without hesitation I would rather have a program that I can be proud of, with players I can be proud of, than winning national titles. History also well proves they’re not mutually exclusive.
I like what Kelee had to say ( Ringo on UGA culture). Time will tell if his defense of coaches was accurate, but absolutely agree it’s a dynamic of personal and peer accountability that’s either reinforced by program administrators (coaches, staffers, ACCPD, Univ. Admin etc), or it’s not. These events paint the simple pattern that it’s slipping.
Ringo:
“To whom much is given, much is to be expected, and you have to realize that. […] It starts with coaches and the players holding each other accountable. A lot of times, with the coaches holding that standard, it takes you far.”
He’s the leader of the largest Revenue-generating operation of the flagship university in the 8th largest state (by GDP). His decisions have direct impact to the University, and all the people, students, employees, and beneficiaries of UGA.
This is about being a leader the right way, building a program the right way, winning at an acceptable cost (since nothing is infallible or entirely reconcilable).
Without hesitation I would rather have a program that I can be proud of, with players I can be proud of, than winning national titles. History also well proves they’re not mutually exclusive.
I like what Kelee had to say ( Ringo on UGA culture). Time will tell if his defense of coaches was accurate, but absolutely agree it’s a dynamic of personal and peer accountability that’s either reinforced by program administrators (coaches, staffers, ACCPD, Univ. Admin etc), or it’s not. These events paint the simple pattern that it’s slipping.
Ringo:
“To whom much is given, much is to be expected, and you have to realize that. […] It starts with coaches and the players holding each other accountable. A lot of times, with the coaches holding that standard, it takes you far.”
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 10:45 am
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:44 am to Pulpwood Patterson
Body cam video in the link.
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He was pulled over doing 90 in a 45 in September. He was fined $1,013. The cop told him the following:
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He was pulled over doing 90 in a 45 in September. He was fined $1,013. The cop told him the following:
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Your break is you're not going to jail. ‘Cause that would make all kinds of news, right?
Just hang tight, ’aight? You're getting a ticket for the speed," the officer told Carter. In the video, the officer said he pulled over other UGA football players for speeding just days earlier. "Look. I don't know if y'all need to send out a text like to all your teammates - slow down! We wouldn't be talking if you were going the speed limit.”
"Alright. So when you're around your teammates, you need to tell them to slow down. I mean it's so easy to slow down alright?" the officer said. "Slow down OK? That's all I ask. Drive safe," the officer added.
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 10:46 am
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:52 am to Demosthenian
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Of course he owes people beyond “only the players” an explanation. How myopic. You think JoePa, Briles, Meyer, Nate Oats, Freeze, Durkin, etc. don’t owe anyone an explanation beyond the players or victims?
Like I said earlier, the media isn't entitled to shite. frick the media.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:53 am to Demosthenian
You just sound like a complete choad.
JMO.
JMO.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:58 am to Pulpwood Patterson
They are impacted. It’s called bias.
I’ll put it to you this way: I have a very low view of say, Auburn, Tennessee, and Alabama, and a lesser view of UF in comparison to, say, UNC, directly based on a read-through of the priorities those schools place on athletic achievement at any cost, over and above a focus on academics, institution building, and creating learned, mature, prepared leaders that can contribute to a productive society. This creates bias against the graduates from those schools. How compelling is a candidate or counter-party that would choose to align with a University with those priorities?
That bias represents an additional hurdle everyone associated with those schools has to clear. Everyone I have ever interacted with in business across 20 years and multiple industries and regions of the country, shares the same view.
I’ll put it to you this way: I have a very low view of say, Auburn, Tennessee, and Alabama, and a lesser view of UF in comparison to, say, UNC, directly based on a read-through of the priorities those schools place on athletic achievement at any cost, over and above a focus on academics, institution building, and creating learned, mature, prepared leaders that can contribute to a productive society. This creates bias against the graduates from those schools. How compelling is a candidate or counter-party that would choose to align with a University with those priorities?
That bias represents an additional hurdle everyone associated with those schools has to clear. Everyone I have ever interacted with in business across 20 years and multiple industries and regions of the country, shares the same view.
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 11:10 am
Posted on 3/3/23 at 11:12 am to SteelerBravesDawg
I sound like a contributing adult.
You sound like someone I have to carry.
You sound like someone I have to carry.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 11:14 am to BilbeauTBaggins
Why would that poor girls family allow her to hang around these thugs. Sad all around
Posted on 3/3/23 at 12:33 pm to Demosthenian
Been married for 18 1/2 years, together for 22 next month, OIF veteran, own my house, me and the wife both work(she's been at the same place 8 1/2 years and I've been at my current place 3 and was at my last job for 8 1/2) and we are parents to a wonderful nearly 8 year old daughter whom we adopted at birth and we are doing well, especially considering today's economy.
So I carry myself and contribute just fine thanks.
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 3/3/23 at 12:47 pm to Demosthenian
That’s a nice sentiment but any concept that athletes at a major university run concurrent to the actual student body likely died a decade before integration.
As far as the impact to resume, almost 20 years after UGA undergrad and an MBA at UVA I can testify that within 2 years of departing Charlottesville my formal education was no longer governing my opportunity in the market. Granted I now hold a much lower opinion of academia than I once did.
I dont think youre wrong, but I do think you assign to much to a college football coach.
As far as the impact to resume, almost 20 years after UGA undergrad and an MBA at UVA I can testify that within 2 years of departing Charlottesville my formal education was no longer governing my opportunity in the market. Granted I now hold a much lower opinion of academia than I once did.
I dont think youre wrong, but I do think you assign to much to a college football coach.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 12:58 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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academia
Leeches
Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:51 pm to Demosthenian
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Call me when Kirby starts the Paul Oliver Network.
What a stupid question. One can’t start something that already exists.
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Let’s end the Richt comparisons after this, it’s a distraction to my central point.
It proves you are a Judgmental hypocrite, which isn’t a good look for a Christian.
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Every player that did something stupid and unrepentant under richt was dismissed.
Dismissal is irrelevant to the point, which is what players were doing off the field.
Richt certainly didn’t kick off every DUI, weed smoker, speeder, drinker, or toppers fan. Uga had a terrible reputation off the field under richt with 60 + arrests under his watch.
The only things that have changed are that uga doesn’t have an outspoken Christian as the head coach, which is obviously swaying your irrational opinion, and uga now wins national titles, which you don’t seem to enjoy.
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