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re: 2025 Auburn Basketball is Historically Strong
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:51 pm to Bigdawgb
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:51 pm to Bigdawgb
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Am I missing something? Based on the stats you posted, they'd be top 3 in 80%+ seasons since 2002
That's my point - I think that due to transfers, 5-6th years, etc that the sport is more top heavy and so the numbers are skewed a bit more towards the top, making it hard to compare a KenPom ranking from 2005 to one from 2025.
Or, maybe, the portal/age has just made these teams that much better than those teams (and the bottom teams worse).
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Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Because of the changes in the game I'm not entirely sure you can compare across different years with KenPom the way you might could have 4-5 years ago.
Some seasons have just a lot of great teams. Others don’t.
2025 has 6 teams with a rating of 30 or higher… that’s insanely strong.
2023 had zero such teams, and 2020 and 2022 each had one each.
But 2019 was similar to this year…. 5 teams with a 30 rating or higher (apparently Auburn only decides to be great in insanely stout years for the sport).
2015 was also a great year… Six teams with a 30 rating or higher.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:57 pm to SummerOfGeorge
For instance
2003 Syracuse (National Champs) (30-5) (Carmelo) : +23.28........that ranked #8 in 2003 and would rank #21 in 2025 (right between Ole Miss and Clemson).
2004 UConn (National Champs) (33-6) (Gordon, Okafor, Villanueva) : +28.03.......that ranked #2 in 2004 and would rank #8 in 2025 (right between Michigan State and Texas Tech)
2007 Florida (National Champs) (35-5) (Brewer, Hoford, Noah, etc) : +30.81....that ranked #2 in 2007 and would rank #6 in 2025 (between Tennesse and Alabama). Almost 9 pts worse than Duke.
I think it's probably a little of both - there are more really good teams because the distribution of veteran talent is skewing towards the top with the portal and because of that skewing the bottom to be even worse, whereas 10-20 years ago mid-majors had cycles where they had teams full of juniors and seniors (as did some "worse" major teams). Now, those juniors and seniors all play on Top 25 teams.
2003 Syracuse (National Champs) (30-5) (Carmelo) : +23.28........that ranked #8 in 2003 and would rank #21 in 2025 (right between Ole Miss and Clemson).
2004 UConn (National Champs) (33-6) (Gordon, Okafor, Villanueva) : +28.03.......that ranked #2 in 2004 and would rank #8 in 2025 (right between Michigan State and Texas Tech)
2007 Florida (National Champs) (35-5) (Brewer, Hoford, Noah, etc) : +30.81....that ranked #2 in 2007 and would rank #6 in 2025 (between Tennesse and Alabama). Almost 9 pts worse than Duke.
I think it's probably a little of both - there are more really good teams because the distribution of veteran talent is skewing towards the top with the portal and because of that skewing the bottom to be even worse, whereas 10-20 years ago mid-majors had cycles where they had teams full of juniors and seniors (as did some "worse" major teams). Now, those juniors and seniors all play on Top 25 teams.
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:57 pm to swinetime
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Im confused are you bragging about being 4th place in 2025?
No it’s really more about being one of the 7 best teams of the past quarter century according to one of the premier metrics of the sport.
You are not familiar with KenPom because Arkansas hasn’t fielded a great team in the age of the internet.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:58 pm to jangalang
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Arky fans remain butthurt.
By far the Butthurt Champs.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:02 pm to AUTiger789
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39.62- 2025 Duke
36.91- 2015 Kentucky
36.49- 2025 Houston
36.48- 2021 Gonzaga
36.43- 2024 UConn
36.05- 2025 Florida
35.25- 2025 Auburn
It's crazy that there are only 3 teams from previous seasons with a higher rating than Auburn... but also 3 teams from THIS year.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I think some of those National Champs were just weaker teams in a season with much more parity. The 2003 Syracuse team barely beat Auburn and we were the last at-large team in the field if I remember correctly.
2025 Alabama and Tennessee are absolutely good enough teams to win a national title in most seasons…. They just happened to both produce really good teams in a season with 4 other teams among the best all time.
2025 Alabama and Tennessee are absolutely good enough teams to win a national title in most seasons…. They just happened to both produce really good teams in a season with 4 other teams among the best all time.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:05 pm to AUTiger789
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2025 Alabama and Tennessee are absolutely good enough teams to win a national title in most seasons…. They just happened to both produce really good teams in a season with 4 other teams among the best all time.
That's possible - and some of the results of the 2 vs non-top 5 teams would agree with that.
Alabama went 26-4 (@ Mizzou, Ole Miss, Oregon (N), @ Purdue) vs teams outside the KenPom Top 5 and 2-5 vs the KenPom Top 5. All 4 non-top 5 losses were to tournament teams.
Tennessee went 29-4 (Kentucky, @ Kentucky, @ Ole Miss, @ Vanderbilt) vs teams outside the KenPom Top 5 and 1-4 vs the KenPom Top 5. All 4 non-top 5 losses were to tournament teams.
Will be interesting to see what the next 5 years look like with this assuming the portal continues to play out the way it does now with basically every good player from a non-Top 30 team getting into the portal and going to to a Top 15-20 team.
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:08 pm to jangalang
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Arky fans remain butthurt.
Just calling out attention whores sorry the shoe fits
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:08 pm to AUTiger789
It is weird to start a thread bragging about being the 4th best of the 4 teams left in the tournament.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama went 26-4 (@ Mizzou, Ole Miss, Oregon (N), @ Purdue) vs teams outside the KenPom Top 5 and 2-5 vs the KenPom Top 5. All 4 non-top 5 losses were to tournament teams.
Tennessee went 29-4 (Kentucky, @ Kentucky, @ Ole Miss, @ Vanderbilt) vs teams outside the KenPom Top 5 and 1-4 vs the KenPom Top 5. All 4 non-top 5 losses were to tournament teams.
I mean that doesn’t look a whole lot different than Auburn or Florida.
Auburn was 2-3 against the KenPom Top 5 (granted we can’t play ourselves; we were 3-4 against the next 5 best teams).
Auburn is 29-1 against opponents outside the KenPom top 6.
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:22 pm to AUTiger789
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I mean that doesn’t look a whole lot different than Auburn or Florida.
Auburn was 2-3 against the KenPom Top 5 (granted we can’t play ourselves; we were 3-4 against the next 5 best teams).
Auburn is 29-1 against opponents outside the KenPom top 6.
In the end it came down to Auburn won more games against teams in that 6-15 range than Alabama or Tennessee, which rightfully got them a 1 seed and allowed them to avoid the other 1 seed caliber teams until the Final Four. Especially in this year's tournament.
Which is why the regular season absolutely matters and anybody who says otherwise doesn't actually pay attention.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:40 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yes. All true.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:42 pm to AUTiger789
CAN WE GET AN UPDATE PLEASE 
Posted on 4/5/25 at 8:51 pm to AUTiger789
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highest KenPom ratings ever achieved:
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