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re: 2024 U.S. News College rankings
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:09 am to cdur86
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:09 am to cdur86
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If this was the case wouldn't the average ACT for incoming freshmen be a lot lower compared to UA? Last time I saw it was like 27 for AU and a little over 26 for UA. That is not a huge difference.
This is part of the gaming of the system that I posted about earlier. UAT takes its low scoring students as "provisional admissions" and has them start in Summer term. Then they use the ACT/SAT scores from the Fall admissions to get a higher overall average. UAT is not the only school that does this - I even wish AU would do it - but the actual difference between UATs incoming freshman class and AU's is much greater than 1 point. US News now accounts for this in their rankings, they didn't used to do that.
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Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:12 am to Old Hellen Yeller
It’s largely based on prestige (I.e. what people think about a brand even if it lacks substance) and to some extent grant money. Shands carries UF in a lot of ways.
UGA shot up these rankings because 1.) Atlanta exploded with transplants due to major company HQ relocations and 2.) HOPE/Zell scholarship that gives in-state students free tuition. Gave us the ability to start a College of Engineering about 10 years ago but we had our hopes for a med school squashed by the state interests in Augusta (where the public Medical College is currently situated) so we likely won’t be able to advance much higher.
UGA shot up these rankings because 1.) Atlanta exploded with transplants due to major company HQ relocations and 2.) HOPE/Zell scholarship that gives in-state students free tuition. Gave us the ability to start a College of Engineering about 10 years ago but we had our hopes for a med school squashed by the state interests in Augusta (where the public Medical College is currently situated) so we likely won’t be able to advance much higher.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:16 am to AUreo
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#170 UAT
At least they have football.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:19 am to tylerdurden24
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Since we are made up of 15 public schools, here’s the top public school list:
#43 Clemson
#47 Auburn
Both Auburn and Clemson used to be ranked in the Top 40. Looks like some public schools managed to be ranked higher. I noticed MichSt and Penn St are ranked in the 60s now (overall). A few years ago, MichSt was more comparable to Auburn.
It seems like public schools benefited from the methodology change while most (Southern) private schools are ranked lower now (except Duke). Tulane is ranked in the 70s while Rutgers is #40 now (up from #55).
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 10:25 am
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:27 am to Luke
FSU overrated, and WTF happened to Tulane? I thought they were the Rice or Vandy of the Louisiana swamplands!
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:29 am to AUTiger789
LSU ranked too high.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:36 am to tylerdurden24
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#4 UNC #5 UVA
Why these two are no-brainers in the next round of expansion.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:44 am to GetCocky11
Alabama has a beautiful campus filled with nice new(er) buildings. I was shocked when we drove through the campus a few years back. Out of state kids funded a lot of that new construction. The football program, greek system, party school reputation, and stupid 10% rule in Texas all contributed to that growth boom. If you are a decent but not stellar suburban student from Texas, you might enthusiastically pick Bama, Ole Miss, Arky or OU over Tech and UH. We don't have very good second tier public choices in Texas. Baylor, TCU and SMU are not bad academic options, but are pretty expensive.
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 11:46 am
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:46 am to AUTiger789
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From the Birmingham Over-the-Mtn schools (Mountain Brook, Vestavia Hills, Homewood, Hoover, Spain Park, Oak Mountain), Auburn is drawing 50% more students compared to Bama
Anecdotally, driving through MB in May the yards were full of “my kid is going to Auburn signs.” The state has always been split roughly along I-65. Auburn got the Georgia half. Bama got the Mississippi half. This graphic is roughly accurate, but doesn’t take into account how many transfer:
The source article highlight’s Auburn’s in-state dominance, though. Where do Alabamians go to college? AL.com
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And these kids come to Tuscaloosa and have a fun four years and head right back to where they came from and their memories of college become a distant memory.
Disagree with you there. The “honey pot” recruitment catches a lot of them and sentences them to years of incarceration in Alabama. They might escape to Atlanta or Dallas or Nashville for a while, but as soon as MeMaw or PawPaw gets sick, they’re moving back to Decatur or Alabaster or Fairhope.
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 11:53 am
Posted on 9/18/23 at 12:33 pm to AUTiger789
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#18 Vanderbilt
#28 Florida
#32 UT Austin
#47 UGA
#47 TX A&M
#93 Auburn
#105 Tennessee
#124 Missouri
#124 Oklahoma
#124 South Car
#159 Kentucky
#163 Mississippi
#170 UAT
#178 Arkansas
#185 LSU
#216 Miss St
Big Five
Posted on 9/18/23 at 7:55 pm to AUreo
Some of y’all may not be aware that US News changed their criteria this year. Class size and alumni giving are now given no weight at all. There is more focus on graduation rates, salaries after graduation and student loan debt after graduation.
Also there is a new category…..US News has added a new factor that tracks the graduation rates of first-generation college students at national universities.
In my opinion, demographics are gonna play a big role in the rankings for public universities. States with growing populations (Florida, Texas) will obviously benefit from the greater demand for admission and can be more selective, resulting in higher overall test scores and high school GPA’s. States with decreasing populations (Mississippi) obviously see the opposite as there is less overall demand.
If US News is now giving salaries after graduation significant weight, hopefully they are adjusting for cost of living in different areas, but I’m guessing they are not. Salaries in Mississippi are significantly lower than salaries in California.
Also there is a new category…..US News has added a new factor that tracks the graduation rates of first-generation college students at national universities.
In my opinion, demographics are gonna play a big role in the rankings for public universities. States with growing populations (Florida, Texas) will obviously benefit from the greater demand for admission and can be more selective, resulting in higher overall test scores and high school GPA’s. States with decreasing populations (Mississippi) obviously see the opposite as there is less overall demand.
If US News is now giving salaries after graduation significant weight, hopefully they are adjusting for cost of living in different areas, but I’m guessing they are not. Salaries in Mississippi are significantly lower than salaries in California.
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