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re: 2019 LSU vs 2021 Georgia
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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They were developed fantastically, but they also were forced into playing early in the year and by early January had tons of snaps under their belt.
I think the key word here for the disagreement is "forced".
UGA had other options at WR and TE (after the first couple of weeks at least). What happened for the UGA players (according to our viewpoint) is they got an opportunity and took it.
That's what happened with Bowers, Mitchell and McConkey.
Other opportunities were there. Burton had the opportunity to become a #1. He dropped the ball and stayed a #3 pass catcher, then transferred. Bennett had the opportunity to take and keep the #1 QB job. He took it. John Fitzpatrick had the opportunity to be UGA's #1 TE. He lost out to Bowers. Justin Robinson had an opportunity at WR for UGA. He failed and transferred after the season. Marcus Rosemy also failed when he had an opportunity at WR last year. He stayed to try again.
UGA provided opportunities to guys not just due to injury, but due to how they rotate players. Guys that can play get snaps. It's not just about last year... when UGA had Michel and Chubb at RB, DeAndre Swift still got meaningful carries because UGA gave him an opportunity and he proved himself.
Bama either didn't give their backups an opportunity... or they did and they failed to the degree that they didn't get much snaps from that point forward.
The reality is UGA players were going to get the opportunity to show what they could do regardless of injury. That's how William Poole earned the start in the NCG over an uninjured starter at the star position. It wasn't that they were forced into playing... it's that they took advantage of an opportunity that maybe came a little earlier than it otherwise would have. By the end of the year they'd be playing what they were regardless because UGA under Smart makes it a point to give those opportunities to develop depth.
That was a failing from Bama... either because the players failed when given an opportunity to earn snaps or the coaches failed in not giving them that opportunity. The reality is that UGA probably could have lost any player in the NCG and still won... because they developed that depth. Bama probably had 3-5 positions where losing one guy would have made them much worse as a team (minimum being Anderson, Williams and Young... perhaps Robinson and Turner as well)
Past Bama teams weren't that way. One of the reasons I'm not as high on Bama as everyone else is I don't think their WR's are very good. They're without Metchie and Williams again this year and I don't see replacements. (I also don't think the GT RB is very good... but I'm in the minority there). Their depth problems last year still seem like problems to me. They're dependent on a few guys being really good... and if those guys go down or underperform... they seem very beatable.
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:10 pm to meansonny
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Bama didn't kill clock in the big wins. Bama left Bryce out there to put up Heisman numbers and it worked.
Bryce played 1 4th qtr drive against Miami (and it started in the 3rd)
Bryce through 1 pass against Tennessee once we went up by 3 scores.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:10 pm to Funky Tide 8
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According to you guys, all of this shouldn't matter, and those positions should be able to be adequately filled by the next player
None of us thought the 2020 team was close to the 2021 team.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The only SEC games all season where we had comfortable leads (3+ scores) the entire 4th qtr we're:
- Ole Miss (35-7 after 3)
- Mississippi State (35-9 after 3)
That's it
- Ole Miss (35-7 after 3)
- Mississippi State (35-9 after 3)
That's it
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:12 pm to Funky Tide 8
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There were like 2 "big wins" for us last season. That is my point.
In your 2 big wins, you averaged 84.5 snaps per game.
In your other 13 games, you averaged 73 snaps per game.
You may want to rethink... you do not have a point, factually speaking.
Saban wants the Heisman. He does what is needed for the Heisman.
Why are you fighting this?
Lol
You have the past 2 Heisman winners.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:13 pm to meansonny
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your 2 big wins, you averaged 84.5 snaps per game
LOL, you mean the two games where Bryce averaged a whole 27 passes per game? His 2 lowest pass attempt totals in SEC play?
We ran the ball 50 times vs Ole Miss and 41 times vs State. By far our biggest running % of the year in SEC play.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Hall is really the lynchpin there. He didn't do his job (blame can go around for that probably) in practice, therefore he wasn't rewarded with time in games, and therefore he wasn't ready when he needed to be in Indy.
So what was the plan then? Just don’t play anyone else and hope Hall figures it out? What happened to next man up?
I’m willing to bet Holden will have a great year this year. He was perfectly capable of developing his game last year and Saban chose to hold him back so Metchie and Williams could juice their stats. And it burned him in the NCG.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:16 pm to djsdawg
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None of us thought the 2020 team was close to the 2021 team.
DOESN'T MATTER KIRBY RECRUITS AT A HIGH LEVEL ITS A FAILURE ON HIS PART THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE GOOD DEPTH AND GIVE THOSE PLAYERS ENOUGH PLAYING TIME TO BE READY TO COMPETE FOR AND WIN AN NC BLAH BLAH BLAH
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:16 pm to diddlydawg7
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So what was the plan then? Just don’t play anyone else and hope Hall figures it out? What happened to next man up?
I’m willing to bet Holden will have a great year this year. He was perfectly capable of developing his game last year and Saban chose to hold him back so Metchie and Williams could juice their stats. And it burned him in the NCG.
You are working from this place where we had the luxury to just play a bunch of raw kids last year because we were blowing people out.
We blew out 2 SEC teams. The other 6 games were dogfights until at least the midway point of the 4th qtr (Florida, A&M, Tennessee, LSU, Arkansas, Auburn). That puts a serious hamper on the amount of backup development work you can get in games like we had down for the previous decade.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Bryce played 1 4th qtr drive against Miami (and it started in the 3rd)
Bryce through 1 pass against Tennessee once we went up by 3 scores.
Are you implying that the playcalling for 344 yards and 4 TDs against Miami and 371 yards and 4 TDs against Tennessee were Saban letting off the gas and risking the chance that Bryce Young didn't win the Heisman?
Saban plays uptempo. He attacks defenses to get what he wants (Heisman numbers).
He does not shorten games.
If any of that is wrong, you know your team better than I do and I can trust your assessment.
It is a different strategy at UGA (first half numbers were not far off from Bama).
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:19 pm to meansonny
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Are you implying that the playcalling for 344 yards and 4 TDs against Miami and 371 yards and 4 TDs against Tennessee were Saban letting off the gas and risking the chance that Bryce Young didn't win the Heisman?
I'm implying that against Tennessee we needed every bit of Bryce's 371 yards because we were in a 1-2 score game for 75% of it, and once the game was out of reach Bryce stopped throwing the ball.
Unlike every season since roughly 2011, the majority of our SEC games were 4 qtr competitive games. We did not have the luxury of planning "game is out of reach" things like subbing players for experience, padding stats or any of the rest. We had to play our best guys for 35-40 minutes to secure wins.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The 2 big wins I referenced were Miami and Tennessee.
I think we are talking about different games
I think we are talking about different games
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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You are working from this place where we had the luxury to just play a bunch of raw kids last year because we were blowing people out. We blew out 2 SEC teams. The other 6 games were dogfights until at least the midway point of the 4th qtr.
29 total plays without both Metchie and Williams while the score was within 21. You trying to tell me that it’s ridiculous to say that you should let someone else get a few extra snaps when you’re up a score or two?
I firmly believe Saban rode Metchie and Williams as a recruiting tool. Get those stats up and make recruiting pitches. He made a gamble and he got burned.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
George give it up with this guy. He didn’t watch a single bama game but knows Saban stat pads. Forget the fact that we had no running game all year due to a terrible o line and terrible RB depth. Everytime a game got close we had to go air raid because it’s the only offense we had. But according to Georgia fans we should have called off the dogs and played back ups and ran the ball even if we lost. But hey we got all the backups prepared and didn’t stay pad
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:22 pm to diddlydawg7
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You trying to tell me that it’s ridiculous to say that you should let someone else get a few extra snaps when you’re up a score or two?
I think that if we ran an entire series with both Metchie and Williams on the sidelines of any of the 6 games I brought up that I'd be ready to put BoBs head on a stick.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Again, you know your team better than I do.
It was a 28 point victory over Tennessee.
31 point victory over Miami.
I know your braves Fandom has that nervousness until the very end. But 28 and 31 on the final score???
If you say they were nailbiters, I will believe you (I didn't watch)
It was a 28 point victory over Tennessee.
31 point victory over Miami.
I know your braves Fandom has that nervousness until the very end. But 28 and 31 on the final score???
If you say they were nailbiters, I will believe you (I didn't watch)
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:24 pm to meansonny
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It was a 28 point victory over Tennessee.
31 point victory over Miami.
I know your braves Fandom has that nervousness until the very end. But 28 and 31 on the final score???
If you say they were nailbiters, I will believe you (I didn't watch)
Tennessee was a 7-14 pt game almost the entire game until we broke serve and picked off Hooker mid-way through the 4th qtr.
Tennessee 14-7 after 1
Alabama 21-14 after 2
Alabama 24-14 after 3
And after that Bryce threw 1 pass.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Bryce played 1 4th qtr drive against Miami (and it started in the 3rd)
Bryce through 1 pass against Tennessee once we went up by 3 scores.
That's nice. Bennett had 11 4th quarter pass attempts in the regular season last year. 2 of them were in a game he wasn't the starter in.
Stat padding isn't really the right explanation. The reality is Bama was in close games where Young had to play 4 quarters. Bennett left most games after 3 quarters and some after only 2... because UGA stomped their regular season opponents.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:26 pm to BamaBy50
But according to Georgia fans we should have called off the dogs and played back ups and ran the ball even if we lost.
Well, since you lost the national championship game... I think you should have played backups, shortened games, and tried to get a different result.
If you are too proud (or prefer Heisman to national championships), keep saying that you wouldn't change a thing.
Hindsight is supposed to be 20/20. For some reason, Bama fans are accepting depth as the reason they lost and proud of it.
"No excuses"
"Bama doesn't have backups, we have more starters"
Well, since you lost the national championship game... I think you should have played backups, shortened games, and tried to get a different result.
If you are too proud (or prefer Heisman to national championships), keep saying that you wouldn't change a thing.
Hindsight is supposed to be 20/20. For some reason, Bama fans are accepting depth as the reason they lost and proud of it.
"No excuses"
"Bama doesn't have backups, we have more starters"
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:26 pm to Funky Tide 8
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DOESN'T MATTER KIRBY RECRUITS AT A HIGH LEVEL ITS A FAILURE ON HIS PART THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE GOOD DEPTH AND GIVE THOSE PLAYERS ENOUGH PLAYING TIME TO BE READY TO COMPETE FOR AND WIN AN NC BLAH BLAH BLAH
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