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re: 15 of the Top-100 just signed with 1 school.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:26 am to Rhino5
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:26 am to Rhino5
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Lol, there’s going to be a random one that shows up,
Perhaps you should strive for "random" as a football program and accept your place in the college football universe?
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For actual football fans, there’s not much interest in seeing the same teams playing each other.
It works for Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina in basketball. How many threads we have on that monopoly? Kentucky has dominated basketball in the SEC more so than Alabama in football. How much indignation do you have for the roundballers?
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:27 am to Lonnie Utah
quote:I just got the felling that you may be someone who is prone to using strong regulation and rigid oversight to solve a possible problem...just curious!
Are you a Democrat?
No. I can think for myself so I'm an independent. If I had to truly classify my self I'd say I'm a Constitutionalist.
Why does that matter per this conversation?
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:27 am to Robot Santa
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No they don't.
ESPN doesn't control College football. Seriously.
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It doesn't matter who is responsible for it. Either way you're using an incredibly subjective standard to determine who gets to sign which players. It's the equivalent of the NFL telling the team who wins the Super Bowl that they don't get to pick anyone who is a top 50 player in the draft according to Mel Kiper.
How's if different than the NFL subjectively devising the monetary value of their players? And the NFL does that already. It's called the NFL draft. It's why the winning super bowl team doesn't get the 1st pick in the draft every year. If we use the current NCAA model, that's exactly what would happen. Alabama and the top CFB teams would get all the top draft picks. It's why we've had 15 different teams in the last 10 super bowls and 6 in the College Football Championship game.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:30 am to bamameister
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It works for Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina in basketball. How many threads we have on that monopoly? Kentucky has dominated basketball in the SEC more so than Alabama in football. How much indignation do you have for the roundballers?
South Carolina (2017) has been to the final 4 more recently than Kentucky (2015). Duke hasn't been since since 2015 and NC was there with SC in 2017.
I'd say that argument falls flat.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:32 am to PrattvilleTiger
Would be interesting to track this and see how many of the 15 end up transferring before their career is over. My guess is 5?
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:32 am to coachcrisp
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I just got the felling that you may be someone who is prone to using strong regulation and rigid oversight to solve a possible problem...just curious!
The model concept comes from the NFL. I've just substituted "recruiting rankings" for $$$$'s with regards to the cap...
If we wanted to pay players (what they are worth), then it could be a true salary cap and I'd be ok with it.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:33 am to bamameister
College basketball is pennies when compared to the cash flows of college football. Especially when you take in attendance dollars and tailgating revenues for a town. Just not a good comparison IMO.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:37 am to PrattvilleTiger
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30 of the Top-100 signed with 3 schools.
On 247 I count Alabama with 15, Ohio State with 12 and Georgia with 7 for a total of 34 with JTT still left on the board.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:43 am to Lonnie Utah
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South Carolina (2017) has been to the final 4 more recently than Kentucky (2015). Duke hasn't been since since 2015 and NC was there with SC in 2017.
I'd say that argument falls flat.
Kentucky has made roadkill out of the SEC. They have historically been to the SEC what Clemson is to the ACC right now. A one-man band.
Historically, there have always been just a few teams that dominate. You will always have the exception to the rule, in any sport, but that is it.
The problem is human nature, "hope springs forth eternal" And that's pretty much where all your bitchin' is coming from.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:46 am to Lonnie Utah
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The model concept comes from the NFL
the NFL is a business, and those individual corporations within that business model have agreed to abide by the policies. Any one of those corporations can leave the NFL and do it their own way. Likewise, the players don't have to sign with the team that chooses them, but if they agree to play in the NFL then they, too, agree with the NFL policies.
College players aren't taking a job (insert pay for play comments here), and the ncaa, the college, or no other entitity can require they attend that school.
I think by now you're just arguing your point because that's what people do on college sports boards.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 10:53 am
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:47 am to bamameister
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The problem is human nature, "hope springs forth eternal" And that's pretty much where all your bitchin' is coming from.
If you pulled for a team like SC , Vandy or MSU that have never won a championship ever, and you'd have a different opinion.
All I'm saying is there needs to be more parity in the game.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:49 am to i am dan
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I watched 5 mins of college football this past season. Didn't miss it at all.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:49 am to BLG
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the NFL is a business, and those individual corporations within that business model have agreed to abide by the policies. Any one of those corporations can leave the NFL and do it their own way. Likewise, the players don't have to sign with the team that chooses them, but if they agree to play in the NFL then they, too, agree with the NFL policies.
Is college football not a business? I'll hang up and listen.
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In all, Alabama athletics had revenue of $189.3 million in 2020 -- a $25.2 million jump from 2019 and the most UA athletics ever reported making. The school reported a $21.2 million loss in 2019 after deferring $24.5 million in contributions to the 2020 balance sheet, UA said last January.
LINK .
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:52 am to Lonnie Utah
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If you pulled for a team like SC , Vandy or MSU that have never won a championship ever, and you'd have a different opinion.
Then find something you are actually good at. Isn't Vandy the defending champ in something other than football?
If Vandy can do it, all things are possible. Just not in football.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:54 am to bamameister
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Then find something you are actually good at.
I've always got my Nascar driver to pull for....
But that isn't the point. My point is, that the dominance for 3-5 teams in CFB isn't good for the long term health of the sport (a sport that runs off TV ratings). Even the most unobjective Bama fans have to admit this.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 10:56 am
Posted on 2/4/21 at 11:01 am to Lonnie Utah
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I've always got my Nascar driver to pull for....
But that isn't the point. My point is, that the dominance for 3-5 teams in CFB isn't good for the long term health of the sport (a sport that runs off TV ratings). Even the most unobjective Bama fans have to admit this.
Historically speaking you pretty much have the same suspects that have ruled college football since the modern game began. Clemson is no different than Miami or FSU that came from nowhere to make its mark for a decade or so.
What's different is the "PLAYOFF." No more beauty contest. When the voters got tired of certain teams in the past they just screwed them out of the title. Today, that just isn't that easy.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 11:03 am to bamameister
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What's different is the "PLAYOFF." No more beauty contest. When the voters got tired of certain teams in the past they just screwed them out of the title. Today, that just isn't that easy.
Paging Texas A&M fans....
Posted on 2/4/21 at 11:06 am to Lonnie Utah
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Paging Texas A&M fans....
52-24 in Tuscaloosa. They have no complaints.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 11:08 am to Lonnie Utah
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I said the concept wasn't perfect.
But's it's better than what we have now.
No it's not. It'll make it easier for the have's and hurt the have not's. An athletic department as wealthy as Alabama's, Ohio State's, Oklahoma's, etc. could hand out their own private scholarships at the expense of other P5 schools.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 11:09 am to Lonnie Utah
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ESPN doesn't control College football. Seriously.
That's not really the question. The question is whether or not a media outlet such as ESPN simply declaring a player to be the 150th best player in the country as opposed to the 250th best changes that player's ability to play football for the better. And the answer is absolutely not. The same applies in reverse. 247 dropping a kid 75 spots in their rankings doesn't make him a worse football player than he was before.
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How's if different than the NFL subjectively devising the monetary value of their players? And the NFL does that already. It's called the NFL draft. It's why the winning super bowl team doesn't get the 1st pick in the draft every year. If we use the current NCAA model, that's exactly what would happen. Alabama and the top CFB teams would get all the top draft picks. It's why we've had 15 different teams in the last 10 super bowls and 6 in the College Football Championship game.
The NFL draft is an exercise in figuring out which team will sign which players' paychecks. Miami's money spends just as well as Denver's money and while players have preferences on what franchise they are drafted by, at the end of the day it's all the same. Because it's a business, and they're in it to make money. College players get paid, but a few years worth of hundred dollar handshakes isn't their goal. It's certainly not a long term career. Their goals are invariably going to include getting to the NFL, getting a degree, or both. The NCAA limiting where they are allowed to pursue those goals because they're too good at football is absolutely ridiculous. You have also continued to fail to address the fact that talent evaluations change all the time throughout the recruiting cycle. What then do you do if a program like Alabama or Clemson have a few 3* kids committed as juniors who then play so well as seniors that they get bumped up into the top 100 by the time the final recruiting rankings come out. Do they now have to sign elsewhere because they got too good to go to the school they had been planning on attending for a year? The draft happens all at once. Players commit to colleges months, if not years, before they actually sign scholarship papers.
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