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re: 15 of the Top-100 just signed with 1 school.

Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:23 pm to
Posted by PrattvilleTiger
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:23 pm to
You're really comparing Auburn 2000-2007 with Alabama 2008-2021? That's laughable man, and you know it. This thread wasn't started as an Alabama/Auburn thing. I'd have the same opinion if it was Southern California that had the 2008-2021 run that Alabama has had.
Posted by Papplesbeast
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:25 pm to
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But in the real world where scholarships are kids going to college, there is no chance in all of hell that the NCAA is going to cut 1,000 scholarships in Division 1A football. Even if there was a "trickle-down" effect argument. It would never, ever happen.

Outside of a few exceptions, no one playing football at a P5 school is doing it so they can get a cheap/free education. That's definitely not that case at schools like Alabama and Ohio State. Functionally, Alabama and Ohio State are NFL minor league teams.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:27 pm to
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Outside of a few exceptions, no one playing football at a P5 school is doing it so they can get a cheap/free education. That's definitely not that case at schools like Alabama and Ohio State. Functionally, Alabama and Ohio State are NFL minor league teams.



I mean I don't disagree with you, but the optics are what matter and just slicing 1,000 scholarships will never fly. Especially when the majority of those 1,000 scholarships serve a certain population.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:29 pm to
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You're really comparing Auburn 2000-2007 with Alabama 2008-2021?


No, I'm noting that Auburn had a similar dominating handle on Alabama (not all of college football, but specifically Alabama) from 2002-2007, and nobody on the Auburn side seemed to be too concerned about how one-sided things had gotten.

My point wasn't Alabama/Auburn, it was that the view from the bottom is different than the view from the top. One man's struggle to climb the mountain is another man's struggle to defend the mountain.

Alabama won't be like this forever, as we all know. Saban will retire at some point in the next 3-5 years and our empire will slowly recede (only because the foundation he will have built will be so strong - it was even Les Miles proof). Clemson won't either.

Ohio State, on the other hand, they seem to never be bad. Ever.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 10:31 pm
Posted by PrattvilleTiger
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:32 pm to
A struggle? Alabama just signed 16 top-100 players! Lol...
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:34 pm to
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A struggle? Alabama just signed 16 top-100 players! Lol...



I mean do you think that our coaches just take naps all day and those kids just show up and ask where to send their LOI

In 2018, the year recruiting changed with the early signing period, we signed 4 Top-100 players. Georgia signed 12!

It isn't just some sort of preordained event that we sign a bunch of great players.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 10:37 pm
Posted by Papplesbeast
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:37 pm to
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I mean I don't disagree with you, but the optics are what matter and just slicing 1,000 scholarships will never fly. Especially when the majority of those 1,000 scholarships serve a certain population.

I don't think scholarships should be slashed. I actually prefer moving in the other direction. End the socialism, make it a free market. Allow players to be paid. Amateurism is a sham when it comes to the top tier P5 football programs anyway.

You could still have amateur college football, it just wouldn't include the 5-star and many of the 4-star players, the ones who have enough talent that someone would actually be willing to pay them to play. Who knows, maybe college football would become something more like it used to be, when players actually were student-athletes, not athletes pretending to be students.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:39 pm to
I'm all for it
Posted by PrattvilleTiger
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:40 pm to
That's more than 95% of the other 65 Power-5 schools.....
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:45 pm to
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That's more than 95% of the other 65 Power-5 schools.....



- Georgia had 14
- Ohio State had 13
- USC had 8
- Texas had 7
- Clemson had 7
- Penn St had 6
- Miami had 6
- Oklahoma had 5
- Notre Dame had 5
- Florida had 4

So no, not really. When we didn't quite know what to do or how to do it just barely, we very quickly fell down the ladder. As I said, it isn't just pre-ordained.
Posted by PrattvilleTiger
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:50 pm to
Well, it's 90%. So, not far off.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:52 pm to
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Well, it's 90%. So, not far off.



Yes, Alabama with the greatest recruiting head coach of all-time still generally will recruit in the top 10% of programs even in a down year

But what it shows is even the smallest slip and there are lots of others that will take advantage and drag you down into the abyss.
Posted by JesusQuintana
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:54 pm to
I’m honestly not sure what you do, and you don’t have to do anything. The product can keep getting worse and worse and enough people will still consume it.

The playoff has made it worse, and the NIL stuff will also make it worse yet.

Like 85% of the P5 teams aren’t even playing the same game. Not really anyway
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:59 pm to
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I’m honestly not sure what you do, and you don’t have to do anything. The product can keep getting worse and worse and enough people will still consume it.

The playoff has made it worse, and the NIL stuff will also make it worse yet.

Like 85% of the P5 teams aren’t even playing the same game. Not really anyway




I think the whole "ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE PLAYOFF" and a lot of the moves in college sports that have supported that hurt almost as much as anything else.

I vividly remember as a kid who rooted for Alabama thinking that the ultimate awesome goal for the year was to beat Auburn and Tennessee and win the SEC Title. I didn't even THINK about the national title. And, not to be haughty, but we were frickin Alabama......we'd won a national title 3-4 years before in 1992 and 10 of them before that. Going to games mattered, winning rivalries mattered, the conference mattered. Going to the Sugar Bowl mattered. "Winning the national title" was something that if it was in the picture come late October or November was awesome, but it wasn't the singular focus discussed ad-nauseum from July to December.

Now, every game is about the playoff or positioning for the playoff. Conference realignment has turned leagues into these mammoth creations where you don't even play 1/3 of the teams in your league more than 1 or 2 times every 5 years. Teams don't play their 100-year-old rivals anymore - Missouri/Kansas, A&M/Texas, Oklahoma/Nebraska, West Virginia/Pitt.........and beyond that teams don't play the schools they played every year since they were kids (even non-rivals - Missouri/Oklahoma, A&M/Texas Tech, West Virginia/Virginia Tech, etc). Everything is about positioning yourself for the Playoff (or at WORST the New Years Six). People can't even discuss conference titles anymore without "well what does this mean for the playoff" instead of "hell yea we won the conference title!".

CFB has just turned into the NFL, but only with the stale parts and without the parity. And it sucks.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 11:06 pm
Posted by Papplesbeast
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:01 pm to
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I’m honestly not sure what you do, and you don’t have to do anything. The product can keep getting worse and worse and enough people will still consume it.

The playoff has made it worse, and the NIL stuff will also make it worse yet.

Like 85% of the P5 teams aren’t even playing the same game. Not really anyway

I don't think elite teams playing a "different game" is something new.

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Posted on 2/4/21 at 4:34 am to
Profound. Thanks for the tip.
Posted by RoscoeSanCarlos
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 4:56 am to
This entire thread is a steaming pile of horse shite. It made me dumb after reading it.
Posted by ptclaus98
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 5:06 am to
I don't care if Alabama signed the top 25 players at every position of need. We have a whole galaxy of problems before we even think about competing with Georgia, much less Alabama.


Besides, I'll be able to beat the shite out of everyone in EACFB 23 so who cares what happens in the real world
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 5:17 am to
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CFP expansion is overdue


We'll never miss the playoffs again as long as Saban is there.
Posted by ptclaus98
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 5:19 am to
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A struggle? Alabama just signed 16 top-100 players! Lol...


It's not a struggle for their fans, no. For their administration? No. But for the players and coaches, there has to be a razor thin margin in which they operate to continue to be the best and thats why it's so amazing that Saban's been able to get to this point at all. You remember being 19, 20? Whatever you were doing then, was there always someone coming to outdo you? Every achievement you made, did you celebrate it, or did you see it as a responsibility to level up and work harder? Because no matter what talent these guys have, no matter how highly rated, how fast they are, how high they jump, theres someone coming for their job that either has better skills or more skills. I mean, Alvin Kamara was one of the two best pure athletes Tennessee's had in 20 years maybe period and he didn't even get a sniff. That being said, no matter how well they recruit, they lose. Not very often, but it's not like they've ever threatened the Oklahoma record, and you know that's the final frontier for Nick's ego.
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