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re: '11 Auburn football vs '09 Auburn football

Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:06 am to
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:06 am to
That's not really how it works with pass efficiency defense.

I didn't look at total pass defense. Pass efficiency defense represents how well your defense plays WHEN THE OTHER TEAM IS THROWING BALL.

So even if other teams didn't throw as much because they were running so easily, the defense still played well against the pass in their limited attempts.

Also, your logic is skewed. If a defense can't stop the run, that often makes them weaker to big plays in the passing game as they load the box to try to stop the run.

Auburn had an underrated pass defense that year. It wasn't great, but it was a heck of a lot better than 2010, especially when you consider how consistently Auburn was able to pressure the QB in 2010.



Posted by augrad00
Member since Nov 2010
1354 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:10 am to
But 2011 UF is still better than the 2009 UK team that beat us.
Posted by BMW7SERIES
The UES right on the Park
Member since Oct 2010
1240 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:22 am to
quote:

with all that said --- Au will go 14-0 and repeat



Now the seats are all empty
Let the roadies take the stage
Pack it up and tear it down
They're the first to come and last to leave
Working for that minimum wage
They'll set it up in another town
Tonight the people were so fine
They waited there in line
And when they got up on their feet they made the show
And that was sweet--
But I can hear the sound
Of slamming doors and folding chairs
And that's a sound they'll never know
Now roll them cases out and lift them amps
Haul them trusses down and get'em up them ramps
'Cause when it comes to moving me
You guys are the champs


Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38804 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:26 am to
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Seriously the one man team argument?


Yeah, I don't buy the "one man team" argument. Those same people, however, after making the "one man team" argument will immediately follow that up with how we're going to miss one of the "best offensive lines in the SEC in the BCS era".

Well which is it? Was it a one man team or wasn't it?

But the point that Cam was a once-in-a-lifetime player is VERY valid. That kind of player can't help but be missed. He'll probably be missed most on many 3rd-and-4 (or less) situations where he was an automatic first down.

Still doesn't mean Auburn will be a bad team. I think we'll be 8-4 in the regular season.
Posted by The Nino
Member since Jan 2010
21818 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:27 am to
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TTsTowel
quote:

This nickname is going to be REALLY bad really fast. Remember I told you that.


Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17242 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:31 am to
I agree with that assessment.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38804 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:37 am to
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2009 - Josh Bynes, Craig Stevens, and ... Will Herring and Wade Christopher? Yes. Herring had to start the Arkansas game. That should tell you how little depth we had at linebacker. Eltoro Freeman was an soph. from JUCO and couldn't grasp the playbook at all, so we had to play 2 walk-ons. Outside of Bynes and Stevens, pathetic..


Adam Herring.

Will Herring's last year was 2006.
Posted by mckibaj
Member since Nov 2010
8375 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:37 am to
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Will Herring's last year was 2006

And he went to the NFL
Posted by BMW7SERIES
The UES right on the Park
Member since Oct 2010
1240 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:38 am to
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But the point that Cam was a once-in-a-lifetime player is VERY valid. That kind of player can't help but be missed. He'll probably be missed most on many 3rd-and-4 (or less) situations where he was an automatic first down.

Still doesn't mean Auburn will be a bad team. I think we'll be 8-4 in the regular season.


I see Auburn as a 9-win type team and with Wilson, Russell we're a championship caliber team again. Regardless though, we'll miss Cam most in terms of sustaining drives on 3rd and 4th downs like you said. BUT, we'll be a more expolosive offense scoring in more 3 or 4 play drives. SO we'll be like a Spurrier-coached Flordia team.
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17242 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:42 am to
I think he starts for seahawks too.
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
22046 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:50 am to
It's amazing how much some people here have emotionally invested in Auburn being a mediocre-or-worse team next year. Like it's some victory for them or does something to our championship last year.

It's like someone posts a well-thought-out thread about how our roster compares favorably to 2009 and you just get a bunch of "shut up, too long, didn't read, yall will suck" replies. Yet let any other team break their roster down and people let them.

I wish I could give all you butthurt people a hug, it tears me up to see you like this
This post was edited on 6/22/11 at 8:50 am
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38804 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:52 am to
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I think he starts for seahawks too.



He has started (due to injuries in front of him) but he's not a regular starter. He's made a nice NFL career for himself considering that he had to battle an illness one season that caused severe inflammation and swelling in his joints.

Very sad that former Seahawk Courtney Taylor, who had a promising NFL career ahead of him, discovered he had multiple sclerosis.

https://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2010/02/scarbinsky_courtney_taylor_won.html
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44310 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:53 am to
Thanks. Nice to read something football related for once and not a flame war.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
9945 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 11:23 am to
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That's not really how it works with pass efficiency defense.

I didn't look at total pass defense. Pass efficiency defense represents how well your defense plays WHEN THE OTHER TEAM IS THROWING BALL.


Oh, I'm aware man, I'm just saying our pass defense would have done worse if folks were slinging the rock more often against them. JMO on that from watching the team. But we had a crap LB and DL situation and zero depth, so folks just ran all over us. In games where folks threw the ball 30+ times against us, we gave up tons of yardage. WVU threw for 300+, Northwestern threw for freaking 500+, only reason Mallet had 270+ rather than 300+ was because Ark was too busy running for over 200 against us. Hell, even Crompton threw for over 250 on us. We almost let Jefferson throw for 250 on us. Just not much reason to throw on us when we are giving up 160+ a game on the ground. I just think less passing attempts in certain games made our passing defense look better than it was in a bunch of games (less passes equals alot less chances for our DBs to screw up). We definitely missed the hell out of McFadden in 2010 though, he was the real deal at CB in 2009.

On a side note, Roof didn't try and load up against the run. He pretty much just tried to play bend but don't break all season (outside of the Bama game) due to our complete lack of depth. Bynes was pretty much playing every snap in every game at MLB due to our backups all being walkons.

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Auburn had an underrated pass defense that year. It wasn't great, but it was a heck of a lot better than 2010, especially when you consider how consistently Auburn was able to pressure the QB in 2010.



Agreed on that, but the 2010 Auburn passing defense was one of the worst I've ever seen in my almost 30 years of watching college football (at least on a decent team).
This post was edited on 6/22/11 at 11:24 am
Posted by Hubbhogg
Our AD Sucks
Member since Dec 2010
13557 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 11:42 am to
The result in Fayetteville should resemble the one from 09 roughly, not sure about the other games.
Posted by raginjeauxcajun
somewhere between here and there
Member since Sep 2010
508 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 1:01 pm to
Didn't read
Auburn will just be another team LSU beats on its way to a National Title

Posted by atl4tigerfan
Member since Feb 2011
21 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 4:25 pm to

Chris Todd for some reason is everyone's favorite whipping boy when it comes to comparisons, but Todd was a 5th year senior starter in 09 with years of playing experience. He took the starting position away from Burns and Caudle during 2 weeks of fall practice.

Say what you will about Todd's arm issues or Trotter's accuracy, but Trotter and Moseley have ZERO game experience. ZERO.

Big big difference right there. Doesn't matter who Gus puts on the field, they are going to take their lumps as first year starters.
Posted by MattP598
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
1920 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 4:41 pm to
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So "insert any player at quarterback" and he runs for 217 and throws for another 87 and he's such a focal point that every single player on the field is better because of it? Gotcha.


Swapping the 217 and 87 is very possible with our new quarterback.
Posted by MattP598
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
1920 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 4:43 pm to
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Chris Todd for some reason is everyone's favorite whipping boy when it comes to comparisons, but Todd was a 5th year senior starter in 09 with years of playing experience. He took the starting position away from Burns and Caudle during 2 weeks of fall practice.


Trotter > Todd

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but Trotter and Moseley have ZERO game experience. ZERO


Not true
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 6/22/11 at 5:09 pm to
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I think Trovon Reed will be special player like that of Percy Harvin.





In Harvins second year he netted about 1500 total yards and 10 TD's.

Way to set the bar at a realistic level.
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