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Everyone who thinks 2 SEC teams have a shot at getting to the playoff is wrong
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:28 am
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:28 am
I know I won't convince everyone, because there are still people here who think FSU and Clemson are potential SEC members.
There are never going to be 2 SEC teams in a 4 team playoff. The whole reason for the playoff committee specifically and the playoff in general are tho stop 1/9 from happening again, ever.
Looking at the last decade of BCS championships as the B1G or PAC12 commissioner, you see a problem. One conference is dominating the NC, and aside from beat them on the field, (which you can't) you cannot do anything to stop it. So the playoff was invented to allow 4 teams (theoretically the best 4) to play for the NC, not just the SEC and one other.
Of course, the BCS was never the real problem. The BCS was popular with the powers-that-be from 1996 until 2006. The problem became when the SEC took up 50%-100% of the slots for the next 8 years. Why did the SEC make it in? The voters of both polls (who controlled the majority of the BCS formula) put them there.
Thus the real problem was the AP poll and the Coaches Poll. The SEC's dominance is the result of that problem. How do we solve this problem? Form a committee large enough to appear impartial but small enough to be controlled. Give them instructions like 'ignore the polls', and 'focus on conference championships'. Then stack it with as many midwest and west coast people you can, and a token southern connection or two.
Say it with me: the point of the playoff committee is to select the most politically kosher teams for the playoff, not the best 4. There will be an SEC team in there, but never more than 1. Otherwise why not leave it to the AP poll? Because the polls have shown the powers-that-be that they cannot be trusted to ignore on field results and select non-SEC teams because they are historically prominent.
There are never going to be 2 SEC teams in a 4 team playoff. The whole reason for the playoff committee specifically and the playoff in general are tho stop 1/9 from happening again, ever.
Looking at the last decade of BCS championships as the B1G or PAC12 commissioner, you see a problem. One conference is dominating the NC, and aside from beat them on the field, (which you can't) you cannot do anything to stop it. So the playoff was invented to allow 4 teams (theoretically the best 4) to play for the NC, not just the SEC and one other.
Of course, the BCS was never the real problem. The BCS was popular with the powers-that-be from 1996 until 2006. The problem became when the SEC took up 50%-100% of the slots for the next 8 years. Why did the SEC make it in? The voters of both polls (who controlled the majority of the BCS formula) put them there.
Thus the real problem was the AP poll and the Coaches Poll. The SEC's dominance is the result of that problem. How do we solve this problem? Form a committee large enough to appear impartial but small enough to be controlled. Give them instructions like 'ignore the polls', and 'focus on conference championships'. Then stack it with as many midwest and west coast people you can, and a token southern connection or two.
Say it with me: the point of the playoff committee is to select the most politically kosher teams for the playoff, not the best 4. There will be an SEC team in there, but never more than 1. Otherwise why not leave it to the AP poll? Because the polls have shown the powers-that-be that they cannot be trusted to ignore on field results and select non-SEC teams because they are historically prominent.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:29 am to cokebottleag
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There are never going to be 2 SEC teams in a 4 team playoff.
Stopped reading
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:29 am to cokebottleag
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:29 am to cokebottleag
Just because you're salty because your team blows dick, don't try to rain on everyone else's parade who is having fun with the idea.
P.S. I quit reading after the topic.
P.S. I quit reading after the topic.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:29 am to cokebottleag
There's no way 2 would get in today, but there's also a whole lot of football left. I don't think the odds are good at all and I'd certainly bet against it, but there is a "shot."
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:29 am to cokebottleag
Well said, and what I have been saying for ages, but folks are just buying the spin and it will fall on deaf ears.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:31 am to cokebottleag
To be honest, I just don't think we know.
If Alabama or Auburn are 11-1, they'll be top 4 with a ton of momentum and a lot of hype. While we all fear the SEC getting screwed for perceived fairness, I still think you're underestimating how hard it'll be to choose a conference champ from a far inferior conference over an SEC power with the same record.
If Alabama or Auburn are 11-1, they'll be top 4 with a ton of momentum and a lot of hype. While we all fear the SEC getting screwed for perceived fairness, I still think you're underestimating how hard it'll be to choose a conference champ from a far inferior conference over an SEC power with the same record.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:34 am to cokebottleag
If bama finishes 11-1 and ole miss wins out they both get in.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 11:35 am
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:35 am to Pettifogger
Let's say, Miss St goes undefeated. Meets a 1 loss UGA in Atlanta. UGA wins. Conference champ is going for sure. FSU will be undefeated. MSU would have by far the best 1 loss resume.
There is two.
There is two.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:35 am to Pelican fan99
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If bama finishes 11-1 and ole miss wins out they both get in.
No they don't.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:36 am to JesusQuintana
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JesusQuintana
I like this guy
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:36 am to Cheese Grits
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Well said, and what I have been saying for ages, but folks are just buying the spin and it will fall on deaf ears.
I bet you're really into conspiracy theories huh?
If there are 2 one-loss SEC teams going into Selection Sunday, they're both more than likely getting in.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:36 am to Pelican fan99
I think it'd be tough to keep 11-1 Alabama or Auburn out of the playoff if either fail to win the West, depending on what takes place the rest of the way in the other conferences. Just in November, Auburn would've beaten Ole Miss, Georgia, and Alabama all on the road. Alabama would have beaten LSU, MSU, and Auburn. Tons of momentum and attention for either one of those.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:37 am to cokebottleag
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No they don't.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:37 am to JesusQuintana
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Let's say, Miss St goes undefeated. Meets a 1 loss UGA in Atlanta. UGA wins. Conference champ is going for sure. FSU will be undefeated. MSU would have by far the best 1 loss resume.
Except MSU won't have a conf championship. Oregon/UCLA will, and ND's only loss will be to FSU. A 1 loss Baylor will get in before MSU. That's the whole point.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:37 am to cokebottleag
BLASPHEMER!!!!
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:39 am to cokebottleag
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Say it with me: the point of the playoff committee is to select the most politically kosher teams for the playoff, not the best 4.
Why do you think all the pollsters rank the SEC high? Of course they know we will knock each other off during the season which saves their arse, but when you look at it objectively, even those 1/2 loss SEC teams would crush #'s 2-4 (provided they weren't other inclusive SEC teams).
There is an element of bias, that part I agree with b/c there are darlings in CFB. Alabama, tOSU, ND, etc.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:41 am to cokebottleag
In that scenario, a 1 loss PAC team would get in.
I would think a 1 loss SEC team would be more deserving than ND or Baylor
I would think a 1 loss SEC team would be more deserving than ND or Baylor
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:41 am to cokebottleag
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Except MSU won't have a conf championship. Oregon/UCLA will, and ND's only loss will be to FSU. A 1 loss Baylor will get in before MSU. That's the whole point.
Another problem would be a potential rematch. If UGA is in, who wants to see them play a small market team they already beat? MSU is certainly deserving, but it's tougher.
But what about UGA and Auburn/Alabama? The rematch is there if it is Auburn, but that's not as difficult with a few games separation, especially if AU-UGA was a great game. But I have to think the Committee would find having both UGA and Alabama/Auburn in the playoff to be very attractive, when compared with Baylor or someone similar.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:44 am to BayouBengals03
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If there are 2 one-loss SEC teams going into Selection Sunday, they're both more than likely getting in.
Book mark this thread and we will see
The only way I see 2 1 loss SEC teams even having a chance is if the ACC + B12 + B1G + PAC + Notre Dame have nothing but 2 loss teams between them.
Put down the SEC Kool Aid and put on the reading glasses worn by conference commissioners outside of the SEC.
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