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Mason is not the guy.

Posted on 9/6/14 at 9:21 am
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3025 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 9:21 am
I've gone back and looked at the last three games again, for the third time, in order to watch Hutson Mason. I know the talking points well, our running game will carry the offense, Mason just has to be a "game manager" and we'll control the football and score plenty of points. I'm highly skeptical of that premise, because that's not how it's worked to date under CMR/CMB. But, even a game manager has to be able to take what the defense is giving, and HM hasn't shown that ability, IMO.

One play demonstrates many of the problems I see with HM, not the only example but demonstrative. See the 27:13 mark in this video. LINK

Against Clemson in the first quarter, 1st and 10 at at about Clemson's 40 yard line. Conley lined up wide and ran a straight fly route toward the right pylon. He was wide open at the 30 yard line, looking back for the ball at the 28 yard line. Finally at about the 15, Clemson's safety came over to cover. Meanwhile, Mason rolled to his right, stutter stepped for a second, and then threw deep. The pass was a) thrown late, b) thrown high c) thrown behind and to the wrong side of the receiver. There was no pressure that should have caused any of those errors. The play ended as pass interference, lucky it wasn't an interception. With Aaron Murray it would have been 6 points.

Here are my opinions of Mason based on 3 games, GT, Nebraska, Clemson.

1) He doesn't see the field well. I can understand this, because even if a guy knows the offense inside and out, it takes time to develop that rapid recognition of who will be open, and then get the ball out. Nevertheless, a game manager has to do this, because you can't leave points on the field and win games consistently.

2) Quite often just looks at his target right away. Maybe because of deficiency #1, he just picks a target in advance and goes there, even if it's covered.

3) Pocket presence is not good. One reason for the lack of downfield passing is that Hutson doesn't keep his focus in the pocket. Very rarely see him step up under pressure, keep his eyes downfield. He generally either dumps off short, or tries to run. Big change from Murray.

4) Footwork gets jiggy at the slightest sign of pressure. One reason for the weak throws is that HM doesn't keep his feet under him unless he has an absolutely clear backfield. Mason's arm is not strong enough to throw without good mechanics. He really needs his lower body to be effective.

5) Accuracy is lacking. You would think a "game manager" would need to be accurate above all else. Once again, I don't see it. He's made some horrible miss throws in these three games, and not just long passes. I'm not going to try to list them all, but anybody who thinks Hutson Mason is more accurate than Aaron Murray or Matt Stafford is dead wrong, IMO. I think Joe Cox was more accurate.

It's bye week, no football foes to insult, so I thought I'd step up and give DawgRanters some cannon fodder. I'm not a professional analyst, these thoughts are impressions and could be wrong. But I don't believe Mason is the guy who will lead us to an SEC or national championship. Fire away. You're welcome in advance.
This post was edited on 9/6/14 at 9:27 am
Posted by h0bnail
Member since Sep 2009
7393 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 9:24 am to
I will consider when he doesn't get a W.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
17474 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 9:30 am to
I will really withhold any more about him until more games are played. I have a feeling he will be tested next week, however, I agree with your #2 totally. Funny thing, I have said he is a good backup at best and got blasted for it....and y'all already know how much koolaid I am swimming in.
This post was edited on 9/6/14 at 9:31 am
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 9:37 am to
I haven't invested the time in analysis that you have but the fact that Murray started instead of Mason tells you that Bobo/Richt knew who was the better QB. We have seen this scenario before with backup QB's who finally get their chance. Sometimes it works out pretty well as it did with Shockley but it can also reveal the obvious as it did with Cox.

The good news in my mind is it will force us to be more of a running team; not relying on Murray to bail us out with the passing game as he did so often. I agree that we won't be able to count on Mason for big plays as much as we did with Murray.

Honestly I would like to see Richt recruit more athletic QB's and play them in a modified offense. You need only recognize what Malzahn did with Nick Marshall to see the potential.
This post was edited on 9/6/14 at 10:14 am
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42507 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 9:41 am to
Mason has done enough to win. Even against Nebraska it was dropped balls that cost us more than anything else. I do think he definitely has areas where improvement is needed, but it's tough to see how good he will actually be without our deep threats on the field. If Mitchell and/or JSW return in the next few weeks I think we will get a much better feel for Mason because the defense will be much more spread out knowing there are legitimate deep threats on the field.
Posted by reservoir_dawg
Member since Nov 2012
280 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 9:46 am to
Quite frankly, I think this is one of the poorest posts I've ever seen and that's not just hyperbole.

1. We have never had a freshmen, redshirt or true, under Richt have a great season at QB. Stafford, Murray, and Greene all lost 4+ games. The only other non freshmen QB on the team other than Mason is Faton who does not exactly have the on-field experience to expect him to perform at a high level. Sitting Mason insures a 4+ loss season while we watch a young QB get his feet underneath him and waste maybe the most talented backfield we've ever had.

2. You're ignoring Mason's 2 games last year where he threw for 299 yards and 320 yards at a 61% completion rate. He can more than produce in the passing game.

3. Our biggest passing game problem is WR health. We have 4 really good receivers on the roster. Mitchell and JSW are out indefinitely. Conley is playing through injury. Bennett is fine. If those guys all get a little more healthy and back on the field, our offense will look completely different.
Posted by h0bnail
Member since Sep 2009
7393 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 9:47 am to
Is pretty obvious that he's not a great QB, but it is yet to be determined if we need one.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26174 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 9:56 am to
This is what happens. Everyone is on a high a few days after a win and we all think we're invincible. Then, as days go by, people start to look for things to be critical of. I really think you're reading too much in to this. If Richt/Bobo thought that Ramsey or Bauta gave us a better shot, they'd play them.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86461 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:02 am to
quote:

Mason is not the guy.


He is the guy, because we don't have anyone better suited to win ballgames for us. Would you rather play a guy who hasn't taken a single significant snap in his career, or a guy who hasn't taken ANY snap in his career?

You're the same type of fan that says "fire richt!" without also answering "ok..who will we get that's better?"
Posted by Fats
Member since Nov 2012
3316 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:13 am to
We don't need a stud QB to win the SECE/SECCG. We can rely heavily on our run game and defense. We don't need Mason to be Murray. We just need him to not make many mistakes and move the chains on 3rd and 5.
This post was edited on 9/6/14 at 10:14 am
Posted by dawgsjw
Member since Dec 2012
2114 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:18 am to
quote:

If Richt/Bobo thought that Ramsey or Bauta gave us a better shot, they'd play them.


I dont buy this at all. Richt has a history of at least giving the senior (who has waited his whole career b/c he wasn't good enough to start) the advantage regardless of talent. Best example, is Joe T and Stafford. There was no reason why Stafford shouldn't of started from day 1.

Mason just might be the best, but if he wasn't Richt would still give him the start.

I agree w/ OP. Mason is not the guy. We may win a lot of games with him, but I'm just not sure he can step up vs the elite teams in college. In the red zone, his arm strength will be exposed, since he won't be able to thread the needle in a crowded endzone. Plus he gets too hesitant in the pocket and runs instead of stepping up.

I would say put in Baton and let him at least make some plays with his legs. I'm sure Baton can throw the wr screen just as well.

But as the season goes on, Mason will stay as our qb. Unless we lose like 3 games, then I see Richt putting in the future qb.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86461 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:29 am to
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Best example, is Joe T and Stafford. There was no reason why Stafford shouldn't of started from day 1.


There is absolutely reason. Did you see stafford play up until the auburn game? He was, well...not good. You play the guy that gives you the best chance to win, period. Joe T looked perfectly fine in the opener. Divine intervention hurt his ankle on the 2nd series against SC so we had to play stafford. Oh btw, in that game stafford threw 0 TDs and 3 INT. The next game stafford was so God awful he got benched for another freshman. The next week that freshman was so bad we had to bring in stafford again. When Joe T was healthy enough to play again he started, because he hadn't lost his job. And he raced us out to a big lead against UT too. The next week after we lost to vandy (btw stafford threw 0 TDs and 86 yards), our coaches realized we had nothing substantial to play for so there was no reason to go with JT anymore.

People like yourself really have such a skewed view of reality. You think "stafford was great [which he was, btw, eventually], he was the #1 pick, he should've always started!!". No, he shouldlnt' have.

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I agree w/ OP. Mason is not the guy. We may win a lot of games with him, but I'm just not sure he can step up vs the elite teams in college


Yet 2 guys who have never played can? LOL, based on what? He's a senior that knows what he's doing. In JAX or against AU or in the SECCG, I want a guy I can trust not to turn the ball over, not a true freshman who has never played.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86461 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:29 am to
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Please provide an example of when CMR has ever done this.



2006.
Posted by dawgsjw
Member since Dec 2012
2114 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:30 am to
Plus Mason hasn't even faced a SEC defense either. And 1 half vs KY doesn't count.

I would hope that he would learn from the J Cox experience. If the season is a wash (no sec champs, or even 1st or 2nd in the East), then it would be STUPID not to give the qb of the future (starting next year) a start or even finish on the season. Ramsey, Faton, or Park is the future, I'd rather get some experience in a less than stellar season vs getting experience next year.
Posted by GurleyManandProud020
Rocky Face
Member since Sep 2012
484 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:30 am to
Quick someone go get the stats for the Vandy game when Mitchell and JSW were out and see how well Murray did throwing the ball.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86461 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:31 am to
quote:

Plus Mason hasn't even faced a SEC defense either. And 1 half vs KY doesn't count.



What defenses has bauta and ramsey faced?

And nebraska and clemson's defenses aren't shabby.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86461 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:32 am to
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Quick someone go get the stats for the Vandy game when Mitchell and JSW were out


let's not and say we did.

I'm trying to forget that game happened
Posted by dawgsjw
Member since Dec 2012
2114 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Yet 2 guys who have never played can? LOL, based on what? He's a senior that knows what he's doing. In JAX or against AU or in the SECCG, I want a guy I can trust not to turn the ball over, not a true freshman who has never played.


What does mason do? He just throws wr screens or 5 yard slants. I also dont think the back up qbs will just fumble the ball when trying to throw it. Like I said, if we keep winning it wont matter, but if the season starts turning to shite, b/c of Mason's arm and turnovers, then yes yank him and start the future qbs.

I'm not, not did I ever say that Mason shouldn't be the qb right now.
Posted by GurleyManandProud020
Rocky Face
Member since Sep 2012
484 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:34 am to
I'm just saying compare apples to apples.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86461 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:37 am to
quote:

What does mason do? He just throws wr screens or 5 yard slants


That's what he did last week. What'd he do his previous starts? Average 300 yards passing and bring us back from down 20. But nah, nevermind those.

quote:

I also dont think the back up qbs will just fumble the ball when trying to throw it.


Neither has Mason, what's yoru point?

quote:

I'm not, not did I ever say that Mason shouldn't be the qb right now.


ok, gotcha. Agree there.
This post was edited on 9/6/14 at 10:38 am
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