re: So, who do we get?

"I hear you but Alabama may really lose DeBoer to Penn State. Oklahoma lost Riley. Notre Dame lost Kelly. I believe Debo may move on from Clemson soon as well. It's not a sign of being a stepping stone. It's situational."

This is a good list and does on its face generally appear contrary to my basic assertion (excluding DeBoer b/c that isn't going to happen and Dabo who nobody really wants).

However, your potential valid examples of coaches (Riley and Kelly) voluntarily leaving "big programs" actually supports my point. Those exits both involved huge contracts from the destination program which the other programs were not willing to match. So from a perception stand point it minimized the damage, if any, to said programs reputations b/c it implied that those programs at least equally had a hand in the decision. (Not to mention in those cases it those programs already had an long established "big program" reputation which at the moment OM does not enjoy).

If Lane leaves, IMO it is imperative to the long term future of our program to project some level of control in that decision. The best thing I can think of is that he wasn't worth the money to us (maybe with a dash of he was an eradicate head case).

The projection of the perception that we are (or at least believe we are) in control is more important than who is the next coach. Otherwise, per my earlier post above, what is the point if every time we hire a coach who is successful he is poached by the perceived "bigger program". (I do not want to become Tulane or Memphis of the SEC).

Waling "oh why oh why would he want to leaving us " etc. etc. looks small and damages our reputation.

Take a lesson from Lane who trolled us for clapping after a "good effort" in a loss to Bama. He basically said F that we lost and there was nothing to clap about. If we are ever going to break through and truly contend then we need to move on from the "Mississippi Nice" mindset that has trapped us for 50 years.

So if Lane leaves we need to be prepared to aggressively advance the perception that we, not him, made or were at least part of that decision. In addition, the short list of coaches (however absurd) should be the top coaches in the country.

After all, according to some, we have everything a coach could possibly want including the money of any "big program" and the NIL program to die for. Why wouldn't Myers jump at the chance to coach here?

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If we fired him, then that changes to "Ole Miss fired the best coach they've had since Johnny Vaught and forced him to leave."

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Exactly

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let's hire Sumrall and move on

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That's what the consensus wants to do but we have this clown in the way.

I legitimately can barely tell who that is

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IMO there is a more important perception to address which is that we are not just a farm team for coaches. We shouldn't be ok with that.

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Oregon has had 3 coaches poached from them in the last 13 years. They got tired of it, hired a coordinator and locked him down with a high buyout and all the funding he will ever need.

The only thing we are missing to accomplishing that is the buyout number.

So what is the next step in order to win your perception battle? Do we pull our offer? What exactly does that give us?

I think we’re having different conversations. I’m picking up that you’re perceiving that we look weak when we’re offering the same deal as LSU and Florida and may lose out. Tell me if I’m wrong. I’m not sure there’s any viable way to combat this. But we’ll also be sitting there with the other school in the same situation, albeit we “lost” Kiffin as opposed to failed to court him.

Many on this board’s contention is that we should keep it out there and let the world know that there is no rational reason to leave besides personal reasons that are unique to Lane. You do this by continuing to stay with the negotiation and give him what he wants. Kiffin hasn’t wanted to stay here. The buyout language in each of his contracts says that plainly. So we’re putting out there to the larger CFB coach marketplace that we aren’t fricking around and would like to find a coach that isn’t either.

I get it - I'm old enough to remember Wingnut leaving, but these are two totally different scenarios. Tubby left because our AD at that time sucked and was a penny pincher and wouldn't invest in the program. Keith is a different animal and hasn't been afraid to spend money.



LOL I am Tuberville certified as well. I go back to the Dog years featuring DC Joe Lee Dunn, (I loved that man). But the Norms of the world don't know or care if we had a shitty AD with no vision when Tubbs left.

The issue I have with your assertion is that you are well informed and sentimentally invested. Again the uninformed Norms are not going to care that "Ole Miss offered him everything that LSU/Florida offered, but he - due to his ego - chose to quit on his team[".

All that the uninformed Norms will know is that our coach was poached again and worse certain other informed trolls will just add it to the list of their taunts: pine box, "2003 co west champs", never been to SEC championship game etc.

Just painful

IDK about the coach- maybe an up and comer like Freeze of Kiffin who has potential but where we have leverage to write a ball busting contract if someone starts sniffing his arse.

As for the rest of your post - No you are not wrong and you make really excellent points. We probably have no better options.

I do think if we keep winning we should stay in negotiation mode. While it is shortsighted on their part, at some point LSU/Florida will cut and run. Lane is a bad hombre but he wins and I am a wanton slut with no shame when it comes to winning and sex. I would take him back with legs spread wide.

It's Neal but I believe this because I have heard similar from multiple sources. We just need the clown to get out of the way.

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but he wins

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I mean, we have a single NY6 trophy added to the case under Kiffin. Freeze did the same but it was an even more prestigious NY6 trophy. It was Kiffin's fault we didn't make it to the CFP last year.