Fullmonty
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Let me guess naming him Trinidad or her Lacy! LOL
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Let me guess naming him Trinidad or her Lacy! LOL
Merry Christmas
Posted by Fullmonty on 12/24/25 at 9:33 pm
Ya Rebel Retards.
re: I think Ole Miss fans are looking at this Kiffin situation from the wrong perspective.
Posted by Fullmonty on 12/23/25 at 7:47 pm to SidewalkTiger
Ole Miss forced the decision when it happened, not LSU.
Correct. We treat our coaches like we treat our woman. If you want to go there is the door.
You got your man. The rest is noise. Relax. LSU will be fine.
Correct. We treat our coaches like we treat our woman. If you want to go there is the door.
You got your man. The rest is noise. Relax. LSU will be fine.
re: I think Ole Miss fans are looking at this Kiffin situation from the wrong perspective.
Posted by Fullmonty on 12/23/25 at 2:52 pm to SidewalkTiger
Once the decision was made then just like any other breakup where one side does not really want to breakup, there is simply no "good" way to leave and there was no other option but to go (like don't let the door hit you in the arse type of go).
Lane will likely be successful wherever he coaches even at LSU. So just be thankful your AD/Donors/Governor got it done.
Lane will likely be successful wherever he coaches even at LSU. So just be thankful your AD/Donors/Governor got it done.
re: I think Ole Miss fans are looking at this Kiffin situation from the wrong perspective.
Posted by Fullmonty on 12/22/25 at 1:23 pm to GreatPumpkin
I think the Ole Miss AD screwed up trying to up the pressure on Kiffin. I think it made the decision easier than it might have been
If by pressure you mean making Kiffin decide on a date certain - then I agree 100%. Most OM fans disagree with me but I think Kiffin legitimately was struggling with the decision up until the moment he was forced to make it.
I would not have forced a decision on the gamble that Kiffin would not have announced a decision until after the season (the CFP) ended for OM and that the additional time spent at OM during the CFP run might have swung him to stay. In fact my thinking was that LSU/Florida would blink first in this situation since they were so worried about having someone in place ASAP and would have hired over Lane. This would have also resulted in Kiffin staying since he had nowhere to go. Add the fact that we were willing to pay him substantially the same money and similar NIL.
It also wouldn't have been a big gamble either because Golding was always the escape hatch if things did not go our way.
All pure speculation but I would have liked to have seen how that would have played out.
If by pressure you mean making Kiffin decide on a date certain - then I agree 100%. Most OM fans disagree with me but I think Kiffin legitimately was struggling with the decision up until the moment he was forced to make it.
I would not have forced a decision on the gamble that Kiffin would not have announced a decision until after the season (the CFP) ended for OM and that the additional time spent at OM during the CFP run might have swung him to stay. In fact my thinking was that LSU/Florida would blink first in this situation since they were so worried about having someone in place ASAP and would have hired over Lane. This would have also resulted in Kiffin staying since he had nowhere to go. Add the fact that we were willing to pay him substantially the same money and similar NIL.
It also wouldn't have been a big gamble either because Golding was always the escape hatch if things did not go our way.
All pure speculation but I would have liked to have seen how that would have played out.
re: Things are starting to move on VHS renovation
Posted by Fullmonty on 12/18/25 at 4:10 pm to Henry Jones Jr
The first priority should be to create something that is acoustically deafening, even if it is not increasing seating capacity. Like wall it all in to contain the noise. Probably not overly expensive and quicker to get done.
Then with success comes money, higher attendance and the need for more seating.
I am with Lawyered you should be able to safely get anything done in 8 months.
Interesting fact on Empire State Building (13 months to build) and its still there almost 95 years later. I could be mistaken but I think back then they hired a lot of American Indians to work on that building because they were extraordinary good workers at tremendous heights.
Then with success comes money, higher attendance and the need for more seating.
I am with Lawyered you should be able to safely get anything done in 8 months.
Interesting fact on Empire State Building (13 months to build) and its still there almost 95 years later. I could be mistaken but I think back then they hired a lot of American Indians to work on that building because they were extraordinary good workers at tremendous heights.
re: Pete just feels different than the Luke hire
Posted by Fullmonty on 12/18/25 at 3:55 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Fuuuuuuck him. Say we will let him transfer anywhere but LSU if he wants us to not withdraw the request
yes yes indeed but it shouldn't just be LSU. It should be NO to anywhere especially LSU.- we need more ruthlessness up in here.
yes yes indeed but it shouldn't just be LSU. It should be NO to anywhere especially LSU.- we need more ruthlessness up in here.
re: Pete just feels different than the Luke hire
Posted by Fullmonty on 12/18/25 at 3:49 pm to OleVaught14
Frank Wilson. By most accounts appears to be decent scrape.
Keith Carter doing FAFO Keith Carter things. Hope he keeps it up.
Keith Carter doing FAFO Keith Carter things. Hope he keeps it up.
It’s an absolute fairytale -
As you know southern fairy tale begins with: "Y'all ain't gonna believe this shite"
But this shite is very believable. At the end of 2022 Lane was not a hot commodity he had just dropped 4 of 5 and we looked like the same Ole Miss and him the same old immature Lane. Nobody legit really wanted him or was willing to chance him.
So you think he is going to turn around and wreck our program. I don't think so, he needed us to do well for his sake and his so called selfishness would have been to our advantage.
As you know southern fairy tale begins with: "Y'all ain't gonna believe this shite"
But this shite is very believable. At the end of 2022 Lane was not a hot commodity he had just dropped 4 of 5 and we looked like the same Ole Miss and him the same old immature Lane. Nobody legit really wanted him or was willing to chance him.
So you think he is going to turn around and wreck our program. I don't think so, he needed us to do well for his sake and his so called selfishness would have been to our advantage.
the optics of firing a successful head coach because you’re afraid he’ll leave is ridiculous
Maybe. But you can't deny it would have been ballsy and certainly would have sent a message to our next good coach (if Lane chose to pass) not to bother with us if your not serious because we are. I like those optics.
The corollary to your point is that we are just fine with continuing to employ and coddle a head coach who is all but certain to leave. Sorry not down with this.
Waiting to press until he had a place to land was too little too late.
What is definitely ridicules is that I am two weeks removed and still grappling with what happened and how to avoid a repeat disaster in the future. LOL
Merry Christmas.
Maybe. But you can't deny it would have been ballsy and certainly would have sent a message to our next good coach (if Lane chose to pass) not to bother with us if your not serious because we are. I like those optics.
The corollary to your point is that we are just fine with continuing to employ and coddle a head coach who is all but certain to leave. Sorry not down with this.
Waiting to press until he had a place to land was too little too late.
What is definitely ridicules is that I am two weeks removed and still grappling with what happened and how to avoid a repeat disaster in the future. LOL
Merry Christmas.
re: Why is Ole Miss paying Pete Golding $7 mil?
Posted by Fullmonty on 12/12/25 at 2:43 pm to Jack Daniel
He probably would have taken it for the same pay, a Bud Light and some car keys
I happen to agree with you but also frick off we do what we want
I happen to agree with you but also frick off we do what we want
I simply disagree with your premise. He had a contract after 2022 with a buyout.
How much and was it meaningful? No
If he didn’t agree with our demands in your plan, starting a search costs us and the boosters $60 million just to get him out the door.
I never said fire him, nor would I actually do that. But I would have made it clear to him that he should consider moving along.
Wouldn't that have been the cats arse if Lane had no good place to land (23/24) thereby obliging Lane/Sexton to make peace with or move on from OM. Tough spot for Lane but very dignified for us where OM is offering Lane 2026 level money at the same time for serious contractual commitment .
After that, you have to get boosters, who were just fine with winning a Peach Bowl and having a good time in ATL,
Agreed and true that those with the gold make the rules LOL
to hit the eject button on that, fund a buyout,
see above - no buyout to fund .
and then we’d need to find a coach who was sufficiently “loyal” who would be fine with walking in to an Ole Miss program who fired a winning coach because he wouldn’t limit his options for other employers.
see above there would be no firing - but yes to finding a coach that is loyal and more importantly will sign a loyalty type contract
That’s essentially a wrap for football at Ole Miss.
If we can't retain a good coach its a wrap anyway, unless your satisfied with and average 7-5 record.
IDK maybe to your point above regarding big booster attitude this is just Kobayashi Maru.
How much and was it meaningful? No
If he didn’t agree with our demands in your plan, starting a search costs us and the boosters $60 million just to get him out the door.
I never said fire him, nor would I actually do that. But I would have made it clear to him that he should consider moving along.
Wouldn't that have been the cats arse if Lane had no good place to land (23/24) thereby obliging Lane/Sexton to make peace with or move on from OM. Tough spot for Lane but very dignified for us where OM is offering Lane 2026 level money at the same time for serious contractual commitment .
After that, you have to get boosters, who were just fine with winning a Peach Bowl and having a good time in ATL,
Agreed and true that those with the gold make the rules LOL
to hit the eject button on that, fund a buyout,
see above - no buyout to fund .
and then we’d need to find a coach who was sufficiently “loyal” who would be fine with walking in to an Ole Miss program who fired a winning coach because he wouldn’t limit his options for other employers.
see above there would be no firing - but yes to finding a coach that is loyal and more importantly will sign a loyalty type contract
That’s essentially a wrap for football at Ole Miss.
If we can't retain a good coach its a wrap anyway, unless your satisfied with and average 7-5 record.
IDK maybe to your point above regarding big booster attitude this is just Kobayashi Maru.
The point is I don't care what Lane WANTED.
Mechanics would have been to offer 2025 money in 2023/2024 and require a serious contract buy/out clause. If Lane rejected this then start a search and suggest to Lane that he needed to look elsewhere. Lane needed us to build his resume at the time especially after how 2022 season ended.
And yes, if we had pushed him out, we may have sacrificed the successes of the 2023 through 2025 but from my perspective it would have been a better look for OM not being a bitch program. Instead the approach was please use us Lane for as long as you want. Simply short sited and not acceptable to passively participate in the stepping stone perception.
A program "stabilization coach" is going to get us to 7- 5 and a bowl game. We have proven we can achieve this level of success. LOL To break the cycle we will necessarily need to keep hiring high risk/high reward head coaches. Some might refer to this as understanding our reality or self awareness.
We need some long term take no prisoners thinking. The top priority should be to establish/require real long term commitment from the coaching risks we are undoubtedly going to have to take to achieve real winning. This includes contracts weighted heavily in our favor in return for giving them their shot in the SEC.
As I have said, if we are going to simply get robbed every time we land and prove out a successful coach who can win at a high level then WHAT IS THE POINT.
If this doesn't register, I don't know what else to tell you.
Mechanics would have been to offer 2025 money in 2023/2024 and require a serious contract buy/out clause. If Lane rejected this then start a search and suggest to Lane that he needed to look elsewhere. Lane needed us to build his resume at the time especially after how 2022 season ended.
And yes, if we had pushed him out, we may have sacrificed the successes of the 2023 through 2025 but from my perspective it would have been a better look for OM not being a bitch program. Instead the approach was please use us Lane for as long as you want. Simply short sited and not acceptable to passively participate in the stepping stone perception.
A program "stabilization coach" is going to get us to 7- 5 and a bowl game. We have proven we can achieve this level of success. LOL To break the cycle we will necessarily need to keep hiring high risk/high reward head coaches. Some might refer to this as understanding our reality or self awareness.
We need some long term take no prisoners thinking. The top priority should be to establish/require real long term commitment from the coaching risks we are undoubtedly going to have to take to achieve real winning. This includes contracts weighted heavily in our favor in return for giving them their shot in the SEC.
As I have said, if we are going to simply get robbed every time we land and prove out a successful coach who can win at a high level then WHAT IS THE POINT.
If this doesn't register, I don't know what else to tell you.
He’d have never taken any offer with a substantial buyout to prevent him from leaving. He doesn’t even have that type of contract at LSU. Nothing would’ve prevented this.
Maybe. Maybe not.
But it would have made me feel like we were truly committed.
I mean we have all but cucked away the schools traditions to "win" at football and so far, we have a co-west championship banner and CFP appearance (which value is pending being embarrassed by Tulane or beat down by Georgia) to show for it.
Maybe. Maybe not.
But it would have made me feel like we were truly committed.
I mean we have all but cucked away the schools traditions to "win" at football and so far, we have a co-west championship banner and CFP appearance (which value is pending being embarrassed by Tulane or beat down by Georgia) to show for it.
re: Big coaching addition?
Posted by Fullmonty on 12/11/25 at 12:00 pm to TeeteringBrink
Titling or referring to an agreement as an MOU/LOI/Grandma’s Recipe for Chicken Soup/ Employment Agreement does not confirm the agreement is binding or nonbinding.
However, normally you would not title or refer to an agreement as an MOU/LOI if it is intended to be binding. Typically when the parties enter into something that is titled "MOU" it is to draft and confirm that they are in agreement on the major terms to be included in a to be drafted binding agreement. There is no reason to spend time and money on all the details if the parties are not on the same page regarding the basic terms.
At the same time a MOU may have some binding provisions (for example that a party agrees not to solicit or consider other offers for a period of 30 days). This binds the party to work exclusively in good faith for this period to reach the details of the binding contract. There could be money damages if a party breached this 30 day binding provision but no one can be forced to do a job (see 13th amendment to US constitution).
Unless you read the terms of the agreement it is speculation regarding what part, if any, of an agreement (however titled or referred to) is binding or nonbinding.
However, normally you would not title or refer to an agreement as an MOU/LOI if it is intended to be binding. Typically when the parties enter into something that is titled "MOU" it is to draft and confirm that they are in agreement on the major terms to be included in a to be drafted binding agreement. There is no reason to spend time and money on all the details if the parties are not on the same page regarding the basic terms.
At the same time a MOU may have some binding provisions (for example that a party agrees not to solicit or consider other offers for a period of 30 days). This binds the party to work exclusively in good faith for this period to reach the details of the binding contract. There could be money damages if a party breached this 30 day binding provision but no one can be forced to do a job (see 13th amendment to US constitution).
Unless you read the terms of the agreement it is speculation regarding what part, if any, of an agreement (however titled or referred to) is binding or nonbinding.
We can call Lane whatever, but I've said this before, and I will continue to say it despite all the man's short comings; he's got an eye for talent, and he can see potential where others cannot. Is he an anomaly? I don't think so. I'll save my opinion on Golding because there's just too many moving parts right now. But it'll be telling when the adrenaline wears off and he's got to go out and put together our offensive coaching staff. And let's see what he does with the portal and who he's able to keep from entering it.
THIS
and losing Lane is/was a disaster.
Lane's potential deity at OM was confirmed for me around the time we beat TN at TN (with that shitty team) and the scolding he gave us for our attitude following a satisfactory loss to BAMA. It took fortuitous circumstances (his daughter) to retain Lane when his clear intentions to "fall up" were confirmed during Auburn gate.
Although highly risky, knowing what was clearly coming, I would have forced the issue with Kiffin following the 10 win 2023 season or the10 win 2024 season by offering to make him the highest paid coach, build a statute, whatever it took. Instead the decision was made to offer him the world after the target vacancies materialized (Florida/LSU) and basically put all of our retention leverage on his loyalty to what he had built at OM. Not a good strategy.
If by some frickery Golding (or the next coach) proves to be great hire then the question is where does he land next or do we do what it takes to retain him. I hope next time it is the latter.
THIS
and losing Lane is/was a disaster.
Lane's potential deity at OM was confirmed for me around the time we beat TN at TN (with that shitty team) and the scolding he gave us for our attitude following a satisfactory loss to BAMA. It took fortuitous circumstances (his daughter) to retain Lane when his clear intentions to "fall up" were confirmed during Auburn gate.
Although highly risky, knowing what was clearly coming, I would have forced the issue with Kiffin following the 10 win 2023 season or the10 win 2024 season by offering to make him the highest paid coach, build a statute, whatever it took. Instead the decision was made to offer him the world after the target vacancies materialized (Florida/LSU) and basically put all of our retention leverage on his loyalty to what he had built at OM. Not a good strategy.
If by some frickery Golding (or the next coach) proves to be great hire then the question is where does he land next or do we do what it takes to retain him. I hope next time it is the latter.
re: Pete Golding Contract Numbers
Posted by Fullmonty on 12/10/25 at 11:12 pm to ManBearSharkReb
5,000,000 at the most anything more is retarded. The rest should be incentives all the way up to whatever lane would make for a natty. Starting next year. Why is this so hard?
I am thinking certainly kinda maybe for sure the legend of bobleedagger is not being fully understood or appreciated.
I'm not a big basketball man but I know a quality coach when I see him. It might be a good idea if at all possible for Keith carter to get ahead of the curve and lockdown Chris beard before LSU or kentucky comes calling.
Maybe because we should be. Here is mine:
At the moment I have the excitement of the playoffs to offset some of the short term pain. But after our run in the playoffs is over the long term pain will begin to set in. It will probably begin with the loss of key players/more coaches following the playoffs, then level off until the fall when I see that school enrollment has stagnated or declined and then level off again until I see our record about 6 or 7 games into the 2026 season. Unless something dramatic happens, my melt will be fully marinated within a couple of years.
At the moment I have the excitement of the playoffs to offset some of the short term pain. But after our run in the playoffs is over the long term pain will begin to set in. It will probably begin with the loss of key players/more coaches following the playoffs, then level off until the fall when I see that school enrollment has stagnated or declined and then level off again until I see our record about 6 or 7 games into the 2026 season. Unless something dramatic happens, my melt will be fully marinated within a couple of years.
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