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re: Will VW survive the emissions scandal?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:30 am to Kentucker
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:30 am to Kentucker
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Any VW diesel owners on the board?
Yes, my wife drives a Jetta Sportwagen TDI.
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What do you want VW to do for you?
Keep making the sportwagen TDI. We still get 55-60 mpg on the hwy.
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What do you want the U.S. government to do to VW?
I can see a sizable fine occurring, but I hope it doesn't frick up the import of the vehicle. It won't kill VW, they'll work out payments on whatever fines are levied and I can almost guarantee that in 2 years, when all this shite has blown over, the Gov't will quietly cancel the rest of the fine and likely receive some kind of kick-back.
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Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:42 am to cave canem
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You may want to fact check yourself on that one.
From the BBC article:
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Full details of how it worked are sketchy, although the EPA has said that the engines had computer software that could sense test scenarios by monitoring speed, engine operation, air pressure and even the position of the steering wheel.
When the cars were operating under controlled laboratory conditions - which typically involved putting them on a stationary test rig - the device appears to have put the vehicle into a sort of safety mode in which the engine ran below normal power and performance. Once on the road, the engines switched from this test mode.
The result? The engines emitted nitrogen oxide pollutants up to 40 times above what is allowed in the US.
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 10:43 am
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:54 am to crispyUGA
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I can see a sizable fine occurring, but I hope it doesn't frick up the import of the vehicle.
The scandal involves 11 million cars world wide, half a million in the U.S. Other nations are just beginning to investigate the VWs sold in their countries.
Potentially, the U.S. can impose a fine of $18 billion (482,000 X $37,500/car). Other nations might be even more strict.
I think VW deserves severe punishment because they deliberately rigged the cars to fool emissions tests. Did they really think they could fool the world?
I know they're Germans and think they're the smartest people in the world but didn't they learn anything from WWII? Americans are the smartest people in the world.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 11:38 am to Kentucker
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I know they're Germans and think they're the smartest people in the world but didn't they learn anything from WWII? Americans are the smartest people in the world.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:03 pm to Kentucker
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The engines emitted nitrogen oxide pollutants up to 40 times above what is allowed in the US.
I would assume that like you the author cared less about facts and more about drama.
Every internal combustion engine on the roads exceeds the max at several points in its start run cycle. That's why the test is an average over time and different operating conditions, not the peak number on the graph.
The writer was being less than forthcoming, you are just being foolish.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 6:33 pm to cave canem
I'm so glad you know it all. Must remember to check with you before posting again.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 6:39 pm to AUbagman
Jewish immigrant from Germany to America. How do you count Einstein as a German? He didn't want Germany and the Germans would have gassed him if they had had the chance.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:36 pm to Kentucker
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Jewish immigrant from Germany to America. How do you count Einstein as a German
Your guess is as good as mine.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:38 pm to Kentucker
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I'm so glad you know it all. Must remember to check with you before posting again.
Nope don't know it all, but I did bother to find out on this new internet thingy before commenting, you should try it sometime. There is this new company called google, they are just an upstart little organization but sometimes are able to steer you twards some useful information.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:08 pm to cave canem
Sorry I upset you by quoting from a BBC article. I haven't figured out your angle but I think it involves a protracted lack of pussy on your part. Go buy some, dude, and chill. Have a beer before and a cig after. You'll feel better tomorrow.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 1:30 am to Kentucker
But, he was in fact, German...
Everything else you said had absolutely nothing to do with anything.
Without Einstein, who knows how it would have turned out.
Everything else you said had absolutely nothing to do with anything.
Without Einstein, who knows how it would have turned out.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:37 am to AUbagman
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Everything else you said had absolutely nothing to do with anything.
By your own strict definition. Although he was born in Ulm, Germany, Einstein was hardly the definitive German. He emigrated to the U.S. because he despised Germany. He loved America and embraced our culture. By the time he died, he was thoroughly American. He was from Germany. He was not German.
Using your definition, do you consider children born by Mexican mothers who have waded across the Rio Grande to be American? Pregnant women frequently do this at border hospitals so they can stay in the U.S. and get benefits.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:22 am to Kentucker
This is where I exit the conversation.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 3:51 pm to AUbagman
Born German and educated till college there
Lived most of life as a Swiss citizen from college on
Adopted by US in last 15 years of life
I think he was what, 75 when he died, so 15 years was not even 1/3 of his life. Most of the best work he did was while engaged in the Swiss Patent Office so why are we fighting on wether he was German or American?
Lived most of life as a Swiss citizen from college on
Adopted by US in last 15 years of life
I think he was what, 75 when he died, so 15 years was not even 1/3 of his life. Most of the best work he did was while engaged in the Swiss Patent Office so why are we fighting on wether he was German or American?
Posted on 9/26/15 at 6:38 pm to Cheese Grits
I had a 2012 TDI with 83k miles.
Until this week.
Traded it on a Mazda 6 (6 speed). I'm done worrying over that over complicated ticking time bomb. The scandal was just the last thing. VW's cost you a fortune--even when they are running perfectly.
Until this week.
Traded it on a Mazda 6 (6 speed). I'm done worrying over that over complicated ticking time bomb. The scandal was just the last thing. VW's cost you a fortune--even when they are running perfectly.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:45 am to Cheese Grits
I think it's disrespectful to refer to someone like Einstein as German, considering the genocidal history of that nation. Einstein was happy being in America and being American. We should be proud that the smartest human who has ever lived loved this country.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 12:17 pm to Kentucker
You should ponder the genocidal history of this nation
Posted on 9/27/15 at 1:31 pm to MIZ_COU
The deliberate and systematic 20th-century extermination of certain types of people by the German nation has no equal.
When the Western Hemisphere was invaded by Europeans, it was disease that eliminated most of the first peoples on the North and South American continents. Warfare played a significant role, too.
Land-grabbing Europeans in what is now the U.S. pushed First Americans out of their home areas and concentrated them in less-desired regions. Those who resisted were defeated in military conflicts that caused many deaths.
There has been no sustained, systematic and eugenics-driven genocides in the history of the U.S. Especially of the scale that happened in Germany and its conquered neighboring countries.
When the Western Hemisphere was invaded by Europeans, it was disease that eliminated most of the first peoples on the North and South American continents. Warfare played a significant role, too.
Land-grabbing Europeans in what is now the U.S. pushed First Americans out of their home areas and concentrated them in less-desired regions. Those who resisted were defeated in military conflicts that caused many deaths.
There has been no sustained, systematic and eugenics-driven genocides in the history of the U.S. Especially of the scale that happened in Germany and its conquered neighboring countries.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:09 pm to Kentucker
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I think it's disrespectful to refer to someone like Einstein as German
I think of him as Swiss which is neither his birth country or his death county. Like it or not, he was born in Germany and lived there till college, and even after college, so hard to think he did not favor his birth country. That said, a party of that country came to power and killed his people so I can see him not liking that specific part of German history.
Look we split the German scientific booty with the Russians after the war. Since we got Wernher von Braun did not mean he cottoned to being American as had the Russian's gotten him he would have been Russian.
Power countries have been washing villains clean for ages if they had something of benefit to the country that washed away the sins.
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