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re: What all can one purchase with an EBT card?
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You stood in line for it at a government center. Of course this was 30 some odd years ago.
Someone else remembers government cheese?
That stuff was
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Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:15 pm to heartbreakTiger
I understand your line of thinking HBT but it is just not that simple. Like AUnite said, she never really even tried until her or her parents finances were paying for it.
What happens in your program when future lil HBT is busy goofing off and chasing girls? He gets stuck on the "skill" path and big HBT is down at the office screaming at the principle that "big HBT went to college and so will lil HBT".
Girls far exceeds boys academically from this type of scenario already. A lot of schools are starting to separate girls and boys through those years and the testing scores prove absolute success. I agree 100% college is not for everyone, but usually people only mean that about others and not themselves or their children.
What happens in your program when future lil HBT is busy goofing off and chasing girls? He gets stuck on the "skill" path and big HBT is down at the office screaming at the principle that "big HBT went to college and so will lil HBT".
Girls far exceeds boys academically from this type of scenario already. A lot of schools are starting to separate girls and boys through those years and the testing scores prove absolute success. I agree 100% college is not for everyone, but usually people only mean that about others and not themselves or their children.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:15 pm to JustGetItRight
The percentages dont make my original bait quite as strong.
Refer to my more recent post about understanding there is plenty of abuse.
Refer to my more recent post about understanding there is plenty of abuse.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:19 pm to Mr.Sinister
well little hbt is going to private school, so that is a whole different ball game from public schools. He will also not being having any fun if he is screwing around in school 
in all honesty though while id be pissed at my kid for not doing well in school if he wasn't cut out for college then id be fine with him having a skill and making a respectable life for himself. I want my kid to do well but if not there are plenty of other options id be ok with outside of going to college that wouldn't get him/her disowned
in all honesty though while id be pissed at my kid for not doing well in school if he wasn't cut out for college then id be fine with him having a skill and making a respectable life for himself. I want my kid to do well but if not there are plenty of other options id be ok with outside of going to college that wouldn't get him/her disowned
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:20 pm to BluegrassBelle
I like the assistance idea, I actually have an idea for a self sustaining school system which would never work in the U.S. due to gov. regulations but I have put a little "business plan" together and am talking with some poeple I know who have worked extensively in the non-profit world about getting it looked at by people with the money to actually get a test school off the ground.
The idea would be that the entity would technically be non-profit but would have a profit generating arm which would fund the school and its system. Outside of the U.S. the profit generating arm could provide jobs to the local parents of the students. Safety is a concern depending on where the test school is located and there are still many kinks to work out.
Inside the US, regulation is a concern, but this would be a new idea so if the idea gets in front of the right people with the right influence, tax breaks, etc. could really help it get launched. Regulation is a huge hurdle which is why we have though it is probably best to pitch the idea for the test school somewhere outside of the U.S.
The property and business ventures would be owned by the foundation and there is a whole lot i could write on the subject as I have worked through the idea for a long time now but I think that is the basic gist of it.
The idea would be that the entity would technically be non-profit but would have a profit generating arm which would fund the school and its system. Outside of the U.S. the profit generating arm could provide jobs to the local parents of the students. Safety is a concern depending on where the test school is located and there are still many kinks to work out.
Inside the US, regulation is a concern, but this would be a new idea so if the idea gets in front of the right people with the right influence, tax breaks, etc. could really help it get launched. Regulation is a huge hurdle which is why we have though it is probably best to pitch the idea for the test school somewhere outside of the U.S.
The property and business ventures would be owned by the foundation and there is a whole lot i could write on the subject as I have worked through the idea for a long time now but I think that is the basic gist of it.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:23 pm to heartbreakTiger
also why i added everyone that wants to get a chance to go to college should part because if you have the money to waste on your kid fricking up then more power to you. I dont believe everyone is created equally, I believe if you have more money or the right connections you get more chances to frick up. If you dont then you have to be more focused on whatever it is and not mess it up. that is why mine was sitting with the parents making a suggestion on the track and just funneling kids into it.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:39 pm to Mr.Sinister
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What happens in your program when future lil HBT is busy goofing off and chasing girls? He gets stuck on the "skill" path and big HBT is down at the office screaming at the principle that "big HBT went to college and so will lil HBT".
They come to the office to bitch as it is for all kinds of other stupid shite. This would be no different.
Honestly, you could leave it open where they can move back into a collegiate path if they so desire at parent request but treat it just like you do Advanced Program and Honors. If you don't make the grade then you get put on probation then exited from the program.
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I agree 100% college is not for everyone, but usually people only mean that about others and not themselves or their children.
Given some of the kids I work with, their parents don't really give a shite to begin with. And those kids get bored out of their mind in these "college readiness" courses because they have no desire to go to college AND the material is difficult enough that they just zone out. Of our current population out of 700 students, roughly 150 are classified as special education. That's not including the other 100 that are English as a Second Language students. A lot of these kids won't ever be college ready and while it might be a tough pill for parents to swallow, it's one that needs to be addressed despite their objections.
Also, while gender specific schools are great (I've worked in one) they are but a small tip of the iceberg. It's not a catch all solution but a good start in low-performing areas.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:42 pm to Duke
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The percentages dont make my original bait quite as strong.
Refer to my more recent post about understanding there is plenty of abuse
It was good bait. You're just fishing in the wrong pond. I don't too many folks here even know what EBT means.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:47 pm to BluegrassBelle
I think a caveat that you can choose to move from one program to the other would obviously be necessary. Our society wouldn't accept it otherwise.
But yeah I see no problems classifying kids at a relatively early age. Motivation isn't a measure of intelligence. It isn't difficult to figure out which kids are smart but lazy. At least it wasn't for my teachers.
But yeah I see no problems classifying kids at a relatively early age. Motivation isn't a measure of intelligence. It isn't difficult to figure out which kids are smart but lazy. At least it wasn't for my teachers.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:54 pm to BluegrassBelle
Belle I have no doubt of your knowledge of the inner workings of the school system, and salute you just like I would a soldier for the increasing amount of crap you have to eat on a daily basis to do your job. 
That being said, the parents of these kids is the common denominator. Bad parents expect teachers to raise their kids and they have more of them expecting the Government to pay them more for them.
The entire welfare system needs reform with checks and balances to police abuse. Teachers do need more pay!! (and to stop sleeping with their students)
And parents should be held accountable for their bad arse kids.. I'm all in favor of public humiliation! my $0.02, which amounts to jacksquat.
That being said, the parents of these kids is the common denominator. Bad parents expect teachers to raise their kids and they have more of them expecting the Government to pay them more for them.
The entire welfare system needs reform with checks and balances to police abuse. Teachers do need more pay!! (and to stop sleeping with their students)
And parents should be held accountable for their bad arse kids.. I'm all in favor of public humiliation! my $0.02, which amounts to jacksquat.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:58 pm to Mr.Sinister
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The entire welfare system needs reform
The entire country needs reform in a multitude of political, environmental, economical, and social issues.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 12:59 pm to UMRealist
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The entire country needs reform in a multitude of political, environmental, economical, and social issues.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 1:17 pm to sorantable
You can do just about anything with an EBT card. You can rent a car with an ebt card if you have two bills and a hundred dollar deposit. In louisiana you can't get hot stuff, so one of the largest cooked crawfish sellers serves them cold. Using these cards for food is one of the biggest wastes. Why do we not have food banks? We just love throwing away money. I can't stand going in a gas station and some thug throws five bags of chips on the counter and a jungle juice and then pulls out the EBT card. If you are poor enough that I am paying for your meals, you should get canned veggies and rice. Maybe you will decide to strive for something better.
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Posted on 6/4/13 at 1:45 pm to AUnite
Its really a shame. The support programs are fantastic for those who are in a time of need. And would not be overly costly overall if they were used like they were intended to be. But as everyone's already said, there is just so much abuse.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 6:32 pm to sorantable
We need to remodel our welfare system.
Anyone on welfare lives in concrete block apartments with the bare necessities (heat, fridge, AC, washer, dryer). No food stamps...each welfare community has a local cafeteria which serves an option of 3 different balanced meals (3 veggies, 1 meat, 1 bread, and drink) for each meal of the day.
That's 3 options per meal, so 9 different options per day on food.
If you don't have a job, you are required to do work for the State (community service) for at least 3 days a week, 8 hours a day. This includes cleaning up trash, road work, public park work, etc.
If you have a job and make over 20K a year, you're not eligible for welfare.
IF you're disabled and choose to be on welfare, your disability must be confirmed by a State chosen doctor. Obese and out of shape is not considered disabled.
Basically, if you want to be productive and have the Gov't take care of you, then you are a slave to the State. If you want freedom and prosperity, then go fricking be productive.
Anyone on welfare lives in concrete block apartments with the bare necessities (heat, fridge, AC, washer, dryer). No food stamps...each welfare community has a local cafeteria which serves an option of 3 different balanced meals (3 veggies, 1 meat, 1 bread, and drink) for each meal of the day.
That's 3 options per meal, so 9 different options per day on food.
If you don't have a job, you are required to do work for the State (community service) for at least 3 days a week, 8 hours a day. This includes cleaning up trash, road work, public park work, etc.
If you have a job and make over 20K a year, you're not eligible for welfare.
IF you're disabled and choose to be on welfare, your disability must be confirmed by a State chosen doctor. Obese and out of shape is not considered disabled.
Basically, if you want to be productive and have the Gov't take care of you, then you are a slave to the State. If you want freedom and prosperity, then go fricking be productive.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 6:44 pm to Robot Santa
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6th-8th grade should serve as an evaluation period. The children who exhibit a certain degree of ability go on to a college prep track in 9th-12th grade. The children who don't show that type of ability go on to a vocational track where they learn a trade, how to handle their finances, etc.
Don't agree with this because many capable students don't reach a mature enough level to take the time to work on school and succeed until they reach high school. You could possible force a smart student who hasn't tried hard yet into a mediocre life.
I just think more vocational and finance classes should be available on a wide variety to choose from, where each student must choose 1 of them for an elective to graduate.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 6:47 pm to heartbreakTiger
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hey will take their free food and get to spend their cash on other things like booze and drugs and they can feel like rich people. you take that away from a good portion of your voting base and they might leave for the other party or just stop voting.
I think we need an amendment that says if you receive entitlements (SS for elders excluded) then you can't vote.
Shouldn't be able to vote for yourself at the expense of others. But this will never happen, at least not unless the country goes completely bankrupt and has to start over.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 6:48 pm to heartbreakTiger
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I agree neither left or right will cast off its voters to better the country
Term limits. Term limits. Term fricking limits. Would solve most of this problem
Posted on 6/4/13 at 6:55 pm to sorantable
I vote that we should drop napalm on any able bodied American using an EBT card.
Love the smell of free loaders getting Napalm'd in the morning. Smells like, VICTORY
Love the smell of free loaders getting Napalm'd in the morning. Smells like, VICTORY
Posted on 6/4/13 at 7:10 pm to deltaland
Unfortunately it wouldn't. The political party transcends term limits and they are the ones influencing policy. In most cases, you vote along party lines or they will find someone else who will and fund them for the next election. George Washington was one smart bastard wasn't he? He said all of this before the greatest example of democracy had even gotten rolling yet. I will post a link to an article that really shows how smart he was. Talk about how everything that is wrong with the popular party stems from our basic psyche.
We cannot go back to no parties, it would never happen but I think a third party which was granted equal funding for elections (we would need a campaign cap which is more important in the short run to cut out the ease of corruption and corporate influence). All of this is really difficult because who is really behind amendments to our constitution? The parties and I may be pessimistic but I don't think they feel like losing some power and control at the moment. And honestly I don't really blame them. Each party thinks they know the way it has to be and that the others way will lead to destruction. It is the same reason you live your football team, state, country; you also love your political party and want them to "win" in every situation.
ETA: here is the george Washington speech/article
LINK /
I am on phone so if link is wrong, someone please fix
We cannot go back to no parties, it would never happen but I think a third party which was granted equal funding for elections (we would need a campaign cap which is more important in the short run to cut out the ease of corruption and corporate influence). All of this is really difficult because who is really behind amendments to our constitution? The parties and I may be pessimistic but I don't think they feel like losing some power and control at the moment. And honestly I don't really blame them. Each party thinks they know the way it has to be and that the others way will lead to destruction. It is the same reason you live your football team, state, country; you also love your political party and want them to "win" in every situation.
ETA: here is the george Washington speech/article
LINK /
I am on phone so if link is wrong, someone please fix
This post was edited on 6/4/13 at 7:13 pm
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