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UPDATED. A European Astronomical Observatory is Announcing an “Unprecedented Discovery”

Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:13 pm
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:13 pm
October 16, 2017

UPDATED LINK

ESO Telescopes Observe First Light from Gravitational Wave Source

Merging neutron stars scatter gold and platinum into space

A couple of other stories related to the discovery:

LIGO Gravitational Wave Discovery Shows Immense Force of Neutron Star Crash

Gravitational Waves Detected from the Same Cosmic Event

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ESO’s fleet of telescopes in Chile have detected the first visible counterpart to a gravitational wave source. These historic observations suggest that this unique object is the result of the merger of two neutron stars. The cataclysmic aftermaths of this kind of merger — long-predicted events called kilonovae — disperse heavy elements such as gold and platinum throughout the Universe. This discovery, published in several papers in the journal Nature and elsewhere, also provides the strongest evidence yet that short-duration gamma-ray bursts are caused by mergers of neutron stars.


Well, it's revolutionary, that's for sure. And very unexpected. Not only do black holes cause gravity waves when they collide but so do neutron stars. These stars are the remnants of bigger stars that collapsed after cycling their original stores of hydrogen and helium to heavier elements. They weren't big enough to form black holes upon collapse, however.

Another discovery is the kilonova, which had been predicted but never before observed. It's 1,000 times bigger than a nova and creates much heavier elements such as gold and platinum.

From reading the article, it seems that gravitational waves travel faster than light. The LIGO detector picked up the waves 2 seconds before the ESO telescopes recorded light from the neutron star merger.

That's conditional, of course, upon confirmation that the gamma ray burst was associated with the neutron stars merging. If it is the case then this lends more evidence that gravity is an effect of spacetime and not a force similar to electromagnetism and the nuclear forces.

Of course, the collision happened 130 million light years away so it's possible that the gamma rays were slowed by intervening gravity along their path while the gravity waves met no such resistance. A bit of home cooking by gravity?

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On 17 August 2017 the NSF's Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO) in the United States, working with the Virgo Interferometer in Italy, detected gravitational waves passing the Earth. This event, the fifth ever detected, was named GW170817. About two seconds later, two space observatories, NASA’s Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope and ESA’s INTErnational Gamma Ray Astrophysics Laboratory (INTEGRAL), detected a short gamma-ray burst from the same area of the sky.


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October 11, 2017

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According to an announcement from the ESO, scientists working at the observatory have witnessed an astronomical phenomenon that has never been seen before. The details of this discovery will be released Monday, October 16th.

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The last time that astronomers unveiled a groundbreaking discovery of this nature was when scientists working at LIGO (the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory) detected gravitational waves. Ultimately, the find ushered us into a new era in astronomy, allowing us to see the universe as never before.

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perhaps scientists finally observed dark energy, the mysterious force that is thought to make up approximately 73 percent of the universe, or perhaps it is a discovery that scientists never before fathomed.


Don't you hate it when these teasers come out? We have to wait until Monday to know what has been discovered.

I'm going to guess that it has something to do with dark matter. The word "discovery" was used instead of "observation." I thInk this means that the discovery might be more indirect evidence of dark matter. Just a guess, though.

Anybody else want to make a guess? It sounds like the announcement that's coming Monday is about something big.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 6:07 pm
Posted by PrivatePublic
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:18 pm to
They finally found Uranus.
Posted by Ancient Astronaut
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:21 pm to
Why can't they just tell us now? Do they need more funding or something? Anyway it's probably going to be some time rift.
Posted by Perfect Circle
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:53 pm to
A white hole pumping matter into space from a singularity.
Posted by Pavoloco83
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:54 pm to
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They finally found Uranus.


PIIHB
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:59 pm to
#darkmatterlivesmatter
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:07 pm to
Posted by Perfect Circle
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:15 pm to
Dyson sphere?
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 10:33 pm
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:28 pm to
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 12:00 am to
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They finally found Uranus.


What happens on Uranus stays on Uranus. Kind of like an STD.
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 12:03 am to
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Why can't they just tell us now? Do they need more funding or something?


I think the staged drama is all about securing funding. Or maybe justifying their grants. I can sympathize but it's maddening not knowing.
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 12:07 am to
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A white hole pumping matter into space from a singularity.


While white holes are theoretically possible, the physics we know of right now won't allow them to exist. Kind of like time travel to the past is supported by the math but isn't likely in reality.
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 12:09 am to
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#darkmatterlivesmatter


This subject has been in the news lately. I don't remember any details but it was about a new way to detect dark matter.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 6:21 am to
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Dyson sphere?

That's what I'm hoping for.
Posted by Perfect Circle
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:00 am to
Doubt they have the optics to actually see one. I believe there are only about 15-20 stars whose images can be resolved. They're just so darn far away.
Posted by Perfect Circle
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:05 am to
Maybe scientists are seeing evidence of our brane colliding with another brane, if you subscribe to string theory.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 7:15 am
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 9:59 am to
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Doubt they have the optics to actually see one. I believe there are only about 15-20 stars whose images can be resolved. They're just so darn far away.

What if the sphere doesn't allow light to escape and we just happened to come across it.
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:12 am to
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Doubt they have the optics to actually see one. I believe there are only about 15-20 stars whose images can be resolved.


And they're giant stars like Betelgeuse or "close by" like those in the Centauri system.

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They're just so darn far away.


Interstellar distances are difficult to comprehend. For example, at 4.2 light years from earth it would take 54,000 years for us to send an exploration ship to Proxima Centauri, our closest neighboring star.

That's with current technology, of course. There's an effort underway by Yuri Milner, Mark Zuckerberg and Stephen Hawking to build a light sail that could reach Proxima Centauri within 20 years or so.
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:21 am to
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Maybe scientists are seeing evidence of our brane colliding with another brane, if you subscribe to string theory.


There's a lot of interest in the cold spot (in white circle) that's prominent in the cosmic microwave background map. Some theorists think this is a point where our brane is in contact with another brane, causing the void.


Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:33 am to
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What if the sphere doesn't allow light to escape and we just happened to come across it.


Interest in Dyson's Spheres has raged since the discovery of weird events at the star KIC 8462852 in 2013. "Tabby's Star" has exhibited extreme dips in its brightness and a lot of people, including some astrophysicists, like to think that it's because of a civilization that's harnessing solar energy using a Dyson's Sphere.

That's a romantic idea but all other possibilities must be dismissed first. So far, there's no solid explanation for the star's behavior. The latest best guess is that the star swallowed one of its planets thousands of years ago, brightened considerably and is just now getting back to normal.

Regarding your thought, we could only discover a star that's been covered by a Dyson's Sphere via its gravitational interactions with its environment. That's an interesting possibility but I haven't read about any ongoing research pertaining to it. Have you?
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 10:37 am
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