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Posted on 4/26/13 at 4:40 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 4/26/13 at 4:40 pm to Alahunter
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Which is why I think the issue should be addressed, in the manner I suggested.
I disagree. I think we both can accept that fact at this point and move on.
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Much like gun control, if people would quit attacking the 2nd Amend. and law abiding citizens, and enforce the laws already on the books, many of the problems would be solved.
I'm I against some extra regulations on guns? No.
Do I think it's actually going to make a difference? No.
I'm just generally blown away how passionately the pro gun side is about their guns. I'm not a gun owner, so it's confusing. Just an observation.
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Posted on 4/26/13 at 4:42 pm to Alahunter
Did not realize that because I was just skimming through the posts, my bad 
Posted on 4/26/13 at 4:47 pm to Duke
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I disagree
I agree we're at an impasse, as I don't think any rights are being denied either.
We shall agree to disagree. quote:
I'm just generally blown away how passionately the pro gun side is about their guns. I'm not a gun owner, so it's confusing. Just an observation
It's a Right, that not everyone chooses to exercise. I can understand why some may not be as passionate as others. Much of the disconnect between those that fervently support it and those that don't, I think, can be traced to upbringing. And by that, I mean by location. Those in urban, or cities, tend to rely more on Gov't services, and ease to getting what they need. (food, supplies, etc). Having more contact and interaction with people, and resultingly, a higher contact with LE/security, lessens the need for one to exercise that right. On the other hand, those raised in more rural areas, that hunted growing up, tend to see the right, and their way of life being threatened, by those that really haven't a clue about guns.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 4:49 pm to jbond
No worries. Cliffnotes of my opinion for you then:
Homosexuals have the exact same rights anyone else has.
Gov't being involved in marriage is a mistake, don't make it bigger by adding them. Gov't should be out of the marriage biz completely and it should be a strictly religious event.
Any person can have legal papers drawn up giving their partner, hetero or homo, the ability to handle their affairs in the event they cannot and can pass along their property to them in this way also.
Homosexuals have the exact same rights anyone else has.
Gov't being involved in marriage is a mistake, don't make it bigger by adding them. Gov't should be out of the marriage biz completely and it should be a strictly religious event.
Any person can have legal papers drawn up giving their partner, hetero or homo, the ability to handle their affairs in the event they cannot and can pass along their property to them in this way also.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 4:52 pm to TeLeFaWx
I never understood people being against gay marriage in order to "protect the santicity of marriage".
Religion should not be included in lawmaking and marriage is not a Christian only concept.
If you believe that marriage by definition is a pact between God, a man, and a woman than you should also be against any non-Christian entering into marriage.
Religion should not be included in lawmaking and marriage is not a Christian only concept.
If you believe that marriage by definition is a pact between God, a man, and a woman than you should also be against any non-Christian entering into marriage.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 4:56 pm to Minimus
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marriage is not a Christian only concept
True. From the earliest known laws though, it was between a man and a woman.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 4:58 pm to Alahunter
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It's a Right, that not everyone chooses to exercise.
I understand that. What I think is an infringement of that right and what others think is an infringement are different.
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Much of the disconnect between those that fervently support it and those that don't, I think, can be traced to upbringing. And by that, I mean by location.
Certainly. I think it also is due to a general paranoia of government that most conservatives have.
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On the other hand, those raised in more rural areas, that hunted growing up, tend to see the right, and their way of life being threatened, by those that really haven't a clue about guns.
But I don't think anyone but your craziest gun nazis want their way of life to be changed. I love hunters. I get fresh deer meat and wild duck meat through my friends who do hunt. I sure as shite don't want hunting rifles banned. Handguns either.
I think that point of view you expressed is based more in the paranoia mentioned above than reality.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 4:59 pm to Alahunter
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Homosexuals have the exact same rights anyone else has.
They do?
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Gov't being involved in marriage is a mistake, don't make it bigger by adding them. Gov't should be out of the marriage biz completely and it should be a strictly religious event.
I agree that government should stay out of marriage. I disagree 120% that it should be a "strictly" religious event.
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Any person can have legal papers drawn up giving their partner, hetero or homo, the ability to handle their affairs in the event they cannot and can pass along their property to them in this way also.
Yes. That is not what this is about, however
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:00 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Let's bring back forced sterilization then if that is the case.
Actually, I'd be in favor of this.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:00 pm to Duke
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I think it also is due to a general paranoia of government that most conservatives have
The Gov't has given good cause for it. Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Ruby Ridge, Tuskegee Experiments, US Troops Radiation testing, just to name a few.
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I think that point of view you expressed is based more in the paranoia mentioned above than reality
Many in positions of power in the Gov't have said the end goal is to do away with all guns. Hardly paranoia, and fears are based in stark reality.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:02 pm to 228Tiger
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They do?
What Rights, guaranteed under the Constitution, do they not have?
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Yes. That is not what this is about, however
Pray tell then, what rights are gays not able to engage in?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:04 pm to Randy1375
I think that they should get married.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:06 pm to Alahunter
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The Gov't has given good cause for it. Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Ruby Ridge, Tuskegee Experiments, US Troops Radiation testing, just to name a few.
Benghazi and FF =/= Tuskegee. F&F was an example of our government being stupid. That happens a lot. If there is any "coverup" with Benghazi, it probably involved the weapons we are funneling to the Syrian rebels.
That aside, I'm talking about the idea of a coming 1984. That seems to me to be the root of the fear.
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Many in positions of power in the Gov't have said the end goal is to do away with all guns. Hardly paranoia, and fears are based in stark reality.
Yet they couldn't even get expanding background checks to internet sales and gunshows through the Senate.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:12 pm to 228Tiger
Should homosexuals be allowed to adopt children?
Let's say you have young children, some of you probably do. If you and your wife were suddenly killed, would you be okay with a gay couple raising your small child?
If you answered no to either of these questions, then you agree that homosexuality is a mental disease that needs to be wiped out for the good of humanity. If you answered yes, then... I feel sorry for your children.
Let's say you have young children, some of you probably do. If you and your wife were suddenly killed, would you be okay with a gay couple raising your small child?
If you answered no to either of these questions, then you agree that homosexuality is a mental disease that needs to be wiped out for the good of humanity. If you answered yes, then... I feel sorry for your children.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:12 pm to Duke
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F&F was an example of our government being stupid
It was an example of the Gov't setting up "assault" weapons in criminals hands, so that they could at a later date, say.. look at these evil guns on the streets that can't be traced.. this is why we need more gun control.
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If there is any "coverup" with Benghazi, it probably involved the weapons we are funneling to the Syrian rebels.
What's leaked to date, doesn't support that, as much as it does a coverup to cover higher admin asses, because they did nothing.
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Yet they couldn't even get expanding background checks to internet sales and gunshows through the Senate.
Simply because there was a huge backlash, of "gun nuts" saying enough is enough.
eta- gotta run out a while. Good conversation.
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:21 pm to Alahunter
Feminism is to blame for the rise in homosexuality today.
There was a steep increase in divorce rates at the same time the modern feminist movement was taking off.
As a result, there are many more boys raised without a father in the home. This leads to impressionable boys being raised to become effeminate(sometimes gay) men.
There was a steep increase in divorce rates at the same time the modern feminist movement was taking off.
As a result, there are many more boys raised without a father in the home. This leads to impressionable boys being raised to become effeminate(sometimes gay) men.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:32 pm to MC Ride
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:36 pm to Alahunter
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Any person can have legal papers drawn up giving their partner, hetero or homo, the ability to handle their affairs in the event they cannot and can pass along their property to them in this way also.
Yes, but will they be subjected to inheritance taxes that heterosexual spouses would not?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 5:38 pm to UMTigerRebel
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Yes, but will they be subjected to inheritance taxes that heterosexual spouses would not?
Not if there is a living Trust. Butt frickers are covered.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 6:32 pm to Randy1375
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Are there any real gay posters on here?
Yes
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