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re: The cost of Obamacare... supporters of it.. please feel free to chime in
Posted on 4/11/14 at 6:57 pm to the808bass
Posted on 4/11/14 at 6:57 pm to the808bass
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They pay higher premiums. Ergo it's unfair.
Is this a joke?
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 6:59 pm to Stonehog
No. It's not. Women having higher healthcare premiums was apparently unfair despite their disproportionate utilization of health services. So, I figured men's auto insurance should be similarly adjusted. The utilization of the services are apparently immaterial to the rates which can be charged.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:00 pm to the808bass
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They pay higher premiums. Ergo it's unfair.
Men cause far more bad accidents than women. That's why they pay higher premiums on car insurance.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:01 pm to Stonehog
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Is this a joke?
Is this?
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Consider it like liability insurance for your car.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:03 pm to the808bass
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despite their disproportionate utilization of health services
Classic case of conjecture.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:04 pm to CatFan81
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Men cause far more bad accidents than women. That's why they pay higher premiums on car insurance.
Women have higher medical costs than men, that's why they pay more for health insurance.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:05 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Women have higher medical costs than men, that's why they pay more for health insurance.
Not necessarily. Young women who don't reproduce have similar heath care costs to men.
Older women and men also have similar health care costs.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:06 pm to the808bass
You can take raw numbers from a credible source and draw up statistics in a way that promotes whatever agenda you want. Please don't tell me you've lived on this earth for several years and still not figured out people do this?
For example, when democrats (I myself am on the left side of the spectrum) claim women make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes, they often choose their wording in such a way to technically not be wrong, but still give the impression that there's a large pay disparity for the same job. Politifact has tackled this several times and it's very clear that women get paid practically the same as men if it's for the same job and they have similar levels of experience. Yet if you're careful with your wording and the data set you choose, you can promote any damn idea with statistics from a credible source.
So thank you, Heritage Foundation, for taking the time to crunch the numbers in what I am sure was a perfectly unbiased way. I salute your work for America, the troops, and freedom
For example, when democrats (I myself am on the left side of the spectrum) claim women make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes, they often choose their wording in such a way to technically not be wrong, but still give the impression that there's a large pay disparity for the same job. Politifact has tackled this several times and it's very clear that women get paid practically the same as men if it's for the same job and they have similar levels of experience. Yet if you're careful with your wording and the data set you choose, you can promote any damn idea with statistics from a credible source.
So thank you, Heritage Foundation, for taking the time to crunch the numbers in what I am sure was a perfectly unbiased way. I salute your work for America, the troops, and freedom
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:08 pm to CatFan81
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Not necessarily. Young women who don't reproduce have similar heath care costs.
I'm talking about in general, just like you were with :
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Men cause far more bad accidents than women. That's why they pay higher premiums on car insurance.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:20 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I'm talking about in general, just like you were with :
Well, technically, men's automobile insurance isn't any more expensive once they turn 25 or 26 unless they have a terrible driving history.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:24 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Women have higher medical costs than men, that's why they pay more for health insurance.
Should women who can't get pregnant have to pay for maternity leave?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:28 pm to Crimson G
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So thank you, Heritage Foundation, for taking the time to crunch the numbers in what I am sure was a perfectly unbiased way
Way to refute them. A+
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:30 pm to Stonehog
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Classic case of conjecture
If by conjecture you mean actuarial tables, yes. Sometimes I mistake those two words for each other as well.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:31 pm to Stonehog
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Should women who can't get pregnant have to pay for maternity leave?
No, why should they?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:32 pm to the808bass
Reading through, there hasn't been any disputing of the numbers. What I've seen is, in arguments against the OP is:
oh, Heritage foundation, nm they got their numbers from the Congressional Budget office and Obamacare .gov.
It's not fair, it's only fair.
and other nonsensical emotional arguments.
Nothing to really refute the ridiculous added costs, or rational reasons as to the atrocious increases across the board.
oh, Heritage foundation, nm they got their numbers from the Congressional Budget office and Obamacare .gov.
It's not fair, it's only fair.
and other nonsensical emotional arguments.
Nothing to really refute the ridiculous added costs, or rational reasons as to the atrocious increases across the board.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:37 pm to CatFan81
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Not necessarily. Young women who don't reproduce have similar heath care costs to men.
For people under 65, women with a health expense consume about $1500 more in healthcare expenses per person than men with an expense during the year (2009 numbers). Additionally a higher percentage of women have healthcare expenses than men in a year, on average (88% versus 77%).
LINK
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:38 pm to Alahunter
Pretty much par for the course with Stonehog, has to be the undisputed king of no substance emotional arguments. At least Rex gets one right every now and again, and I'm forced to agree with him ::shivers::
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:38 pm to the808bass
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For people under 65, women with a health expense consume about $1500 more in healthcare expenses per person than men with an expense during the year (2009 numbers). Additionally a higher percentage of women have healthcare expenses than men in a year, on average (88% versus 77%).
And I would bet that it's mostly because of breeders.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:39 pm to CatFan81
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And I would bet that it's mostly because of breeders.
Those fricking whores
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:40 pm to CatFan81
Even if you're correct (and I suspect you're not, partially just because of the higher utilization rates), it shouldn't matter.
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That's a hell of an expensive pregnancy or 5.
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The data back him up. A 2004 study of 3.75 million people in Michigan found that women's lifetime healthcare costs (the amount paid by them or insurers to providers) were about one-third higher than men's — they averaged $361,200 to men's $268,700.
That's a hell of an expensive pregnancy or 5.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 7:43 pm
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