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Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:38 am to Robert Goulet
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I don't generally like northerners. They move to the south with their miserable attitudes and yes, they like to think they are better than southern people even though they come from absolute shitholes.
Ohio asshats are taking over South Carolina. I see these on cars here in SC every damned day and it pisses the holy frick out of me.
ETA: For those that may not understand why I find that so offensive, this is the South Carolina state flag:
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:44 pm to Carolina_Girl
frick ohio.
frick the confederacy, of course. But seriously, frick ohio.
frick the confederacy, of course. But seriously, frick ohio.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 1:26 pm to TbirdSpur2010
there is no Confederacy now, so the assertion that the Confederacy is 'still' a con job on whites is absurd.
Democrats want to raise taxes on people and they want to have union laws that would prevent good employers from moving to the south, yet they try to make out Republicans as the enemy of the working class.
i've rarely seen the Confederate flag being flown in the south. you would think reading that diatribe most people down here fly the Confederate flag.
Democrats want to raise taxes on people and they want to have union laws that would prevent good employers from moving to the south, yet they try to make out Republicans as the enemy of the working class.
i've rarely seen the Confederate flag being flown in the south. you would think reading that diatribe most people down here fly the Confederate flag.
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 2:24 pm to Tillman
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the assertion that the Confederacy is 'still' a con job on whites is absurd.
Poor word choice by the article. I think it was trying to refer to the culture of southern pride that can tend to cling to the exploits of the erstwhile CSA. Honestly, it was shoddily written overall, though.
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they try to make out Republicans as the enemy of the working class.
I think this past election cycle put that poppycock to bed for the most part, thankfully.
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i've rarely seen the Confederate flag being flown in the south.
Assuming you're referring to the battle flag and/or navy jack, you still see those flown most frequently in the south. You don't have to look hard to find one, typically.
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you would think reading that diatribe most people down here fly the Confederate flag.
Agreed, the article did give that erroneous impression.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:44 pm to TbirdSpur2010
The OP is pretty much spot on. ( and we were 1% major slave owners but no where Natchez rich (where they lived like Russians czars.))
Slavery was bad economically for most white people. We also originally opposed the war as we knew we would lose without foreign intervention and most of the elites knew it would be a disaster.
There was also a banking rift between New York and New Orleans and battle of economic issues between agriculture and manufacturing. In the end we fought as died like everyone else when it all started.
Did u know Baltimore wanted to succeed too and New York State was going to succeed and be neutral so they could continue to trade with the South but changed its mind after attack on Fort Sumpter.
Once the fighting started nobody cared what it was all about. It was self preservation.
Slavery was bad economically for most white people. We also originally opposed the war as we knew we would lose without foreign intervention and most of the elites knew it would be a disaster.
There was also a banking rift between New York and New Orleans and battle of economic issues between agriculture and manufacturing. In the end we fought as died like everyone else when it all started.
Did u know Baltimore wanted to succeed too and New York State was going to succeed and be neutral so they could continue to trade with the South but changed its mind after attack on Fort Sumpter.
Once the fighting started nobody cared what it was all about. It was self preservation.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 5:15 pm to deltaland
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it's more of a southern pride thing and hatred for the uppity holier than thou northerners. And some are proud their ancestors fought against that same attitude.
This. I was at a family reunion in Savannah Ga. last weekend and we have a private family graveyard that is well back in the woods nowadays. Its still tended by the county and by the DAC. The Daughters of the Confederacy put a new flag every year.
Reverend Allan Crawford was a relation on my mothers side. he was a confederate chaplain. Our family were poor whites from Meldrim Ga. Never owned a slave, but damn sure fought against invading yankees.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 5:36 pm to Phat Phil
Fake liberal news.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:13 am to Tillman
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i've rarely seen the Confederate flag being flown in the south.
Really? I see them just about every day in one form or another.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:49 pm to Carolina_Girl
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Ohio asshats are taking over South Carolina. I see these on cars here in SC every damned day and it pisses the holy frick out of me.
Carpetbagging POS's
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:51 pm to TutHillTiger
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Did u know Baltimore wanted to secede too
Yes...Lincoln sent the troops in to keep that from happening. Smart move on his part to protect DC.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:18 pm to AUCatfish
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Really? I see them just about every day in one form or another.
do you live out in the sticks?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 3:30 pm to Tillman
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do you live out in the sticks?
Not particularly, 60k or so where I live, however it is still Alabama.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:37 pm to AUCatfish
i lived in Huntsville for 1.5 years and worked a hour east near Scottsboro at the TVA plant, don't remember seeing confederate flags.
flags I see most in SC are USA, state flag, and Clemson , USC.
flags I see most in SC are USA, state flag, and Clemson , USC.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 5:09 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I think it was trying to refer to the culture of southern pride that can tend to cling to the exploits of the erstwhile CSA.
Southern pride is a kind of quiet of nationalism, so I don't think you'll ever be able to separate it from the war.
The war also cemented our sense of the south as a region, and an entity. So again, it's difficult to separate the two.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:18 pm to Carolina_Girl
Hey at least your area isn't being overrun by New Yorkers. These guys are coming in waves to Atlanta, they're everywhere! 3 New Yorker families moved into my neighborhood just in 2017.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 6:09 pm to Phat Phil
Frick dems and reps. Two wings on the same bird. Also many of you in this thread seem like diehard suspected white supremacist. I say that not for anyone in this thread that is white but for the reason that white supremacist tend to ignore facts and promote falacies as fact......... Looks to be a lot of that in this thread. My unapologetic opinion. Good day folks......
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:17 pm to TutHillTiger
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Slavery was bad economically for most white people.
Yup
Slave labor economies kill themselves because they destroy the class of small holders and small craftsmen. This can be seen in the effect of the latifundia on the Roman Empire. Small holders cannot compete with the large, slave-driven agricultural operations, so that small holders eventually sink into abject poverty, or they get out to find land elsewhere (this can be seen repeatedly in the history of the American South before the civil war). Small craftsmen, even though they often produce a better product, cannot compete with slave labor. Plantation owners often used slaves for smithing, carpentry and other skilled or semi-skilled trades, and they "lent" their skilled slaves to other plantation owners. The alternative for small craftsmen, whose only market was other small craftsmen or small holders, was to sink into abject poverty or to get out to and sell their skills elsewhere (this was seen repreatedly in the years before the war).
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:23 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I think it was trying to refer to the culture of southern pride that can tend to cling to the exploits of the erstwhile CSA.
One last thought.
The Confederacy achieved total mobilization, so everyone has Confederate ancestors. If you had family in the south in the 1860s, they fought.
So the war resonates here in a way it doesn't up north. It's personal, rather than academic.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:52 am to TuckyTiger
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I am not a serious student of the matter, but my great great grandfather who served in the 7th Miss. left several diaries and never once mentioned anything about slaves in his writings. Mentioned several times about fighting for his home and country. He was shot in the leg at Shiloh, taken prisoner, released, lost an eye at Missionary Ridge, and was captured again. Marched bare-footed across the south, barely clad, often cold, wet, and hungry. I have a flag and fly it on occasion. Definitely not for racial reasons. Its just to honor those who gave their all.
That's how these things pretty much always work. The people who start the war (politicians and elites) and the people who fight the war (soldiers) have different motivations. Politicians and elites stand to benefit, materially, from the conflict, while the soldiers make all of the sacrifices. Soldiers are convinced to fight by appealing to their sense of honor/patriotism/etc. The politicians and elites use this to their advantage. In other words, it's entirely believable that most Confederate soldiers were motivated by ideals like "home and country", while the politicians and elites exploited these feelings for their own benefit.
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