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re: Sensible arguments for gun control

Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:57 am to
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:57 am to
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None.


Welfare recipients and Medicaid recipients say..
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:57 am to
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luckily illegally modded guns are already illegal.


So you're saying the only people with illegally modded guns are criminals.

That's gonna suck when a criminal invades my home with a plasma cannon and all I have is an M-60.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:59 am to
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What were they made to look like and mirror? A combat rifle


If I put on black face, it doesn't make me a black man.

Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:01 pm to
I guess if they have illegally modded a gun then they would be criminals.

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That's gonna suck when a criminal invades my home with a plasma cannon and all I have is an M-60.


You should probably get a dog and some sort of shotgun for your home protection.
Posted by WheelRoute
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:03 pm to
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How many citizens and guns are owned at this time? How many of those citizens are in the military and would side with those folks and their Constitutional Rights?


I have no idea how many citizens would side w/ folks and their constitutional rights, and neither do you. That's a silly argument. My instinct is that most people will side w/ their paycheck, though, but I admire your faith in the idealism of our gov't employees when it happens to suit your argument.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:05 pm to
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I have no idea how many citizens would side w/ folks and their constitutional rights, and neither do you. That's a silly argument. My instinct is that most people will side w/ their paycheck, though, but I admire your faith in the idealism of our gov't employees when it happens to suit your argument.


If the Gov't is sending in troops against citizens, then paychecks are probably the last thing on anyones mind. If you want to throw out a scenario, be open to all sides of it.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:07 pm to
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I/he/we don't need one. Why is that grounds for banning them though?
So they can't be used to shoot up schools? If you don't need something that can kill that many peoplewhat's the argument for it? Again. At one time m80s blew off a lot of hands. Now they are illegal and it doesn't happen.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:07 pm to
id guess the military to be somewhere near 50/50 on paycheck vs family, fed employees in other sectors 99/1 paycheck vs family and friends.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:08 pm to
Alahunter, at this point you are just verbally masterbating.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:10 pm to
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If you don't need something that can kill that many peoplewhat's the argument for it?


Alcohol accounts for over 88,000 deaths a year. What's the argument for keeping it legal?
Posted by Charlestondawg
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:10 pm to
Stonehog, its illegal for citizens to own enriched uranium. So there goes your nuke argument
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:12 pm to
Well, when folks like yourself resort to nuke talk, and throwing out scenario's, it's difficult to keep the talk logical.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:13 pm to
We should probably require Breathalyzers on cars so innocents can't die in DUI's.

That isn't the way we do things.

And while I may not NEED it for self/home defense, I certainly can use it for those purposes if I so choose.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:14 pm to
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Alcohol accounts for over 88,000 deaths a year. What's the argument for keeping it legal?
They tried to make it illegal and it didn't work because it's to easy to make yourself. I don't see a lot of backyard AR15 stills popping up if you make them illegal
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:14 pm to
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People use that "30,000 people die from Gun Violence every year" fact like that's a big number.

30,000/313 million = 0.0096%


You wanna know the statistic they never tell you?

70% of the gun related deaths in this country are with guns not registered to the individual committing the crime.

People who want to use guns for violence are going to have them regardless of the law.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:15 pm to
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At one time m80s blew off a lot of hands. Now they are illegal and it doesn't happen.


fireworks still send people to the ER with severe burns, and sometimes death.

Between June 22, 2012 and July 22, 2012, more than 5,000 consumers were treated in hospital emergency rooms due to fireworks-related injuries

That's just one month.

More than half of these reported injuries involved burns to the hands, head and face. About 1,000 reported injuries involved sparklers and bottle rockets, fireworks that are frequently and incorrectly considered safe for young children.

Posted by WheelRoute
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:15 pm to
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yes it is because I like to know i can defend myself. Thats good that y'all were naive and would rather depend on others. Nope, grew up in a neighborhood in Baton Rouge that was upper middle class. No, I live in a nice area where most of the violence isn't taking place but break ins are common in the good areas. In fact some mother fricker broke into my jeep about two weeks ago.



So do you pack a parachute when you fly on an airplane? Will you not ride in cars that don't have airbags? Do you have someone taste your food at restaurants for you? I'm interested to know in what other facets of your life do you go to such extremes to protect yourself from imminent harm. Surely you wear a helmet while biking? And life vests at all times when on the water? You no doubt cab it home if you've had even a drop of alcohol...?

Who's really the naive one here? I can't speak for you, but for me to have that sort of bunker mentality would be highly detrimental to my quality of life. I may be robbed one day... it could happen. It's an extremely low probability, though, so I don't live my life like it will happen at any moment.

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I say no it is not, and that the rest of society is not safer. In fact I would say they are now less safe. why are they less safe? because now less law abiding citizens have weapons, therefore criminals know you are easy pickings. Some criminals are dumb but others are very aware and take advantage of an easy target and those not armed are the easiest targets.


This is just complete and utter nonsense.


Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:16 pm to
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They tried to make it illegal and it didn't work because it's to easy to make yourself. I don't see a lot of backyard AR15 stills popping up if you make them illegal


Were there less deaths when it was illegal? If so, then it seems it worked.

Or using that logic, if gun crimes escalate in banned areas.. then all guns should be unbanned. Hmmm.. Chicago has pretty rough gun crime.. high ban rates... time to give everyone automatics.

Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:17 pm to
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Alcohol accounts for over 88,000 deaths a year. What's the argument for keeping it legal?
They tried to make it illegal and it didn't work because it's to easy to make yourself. I don't see a lot of backyard AR15 stills popping up if you make them illegal


There are so many guns in circulation it wouldn't matter.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:17 pm to
Why don't we just legalize murder and tax it. Free market. Woooo.
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