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re: Sensible arguments for gun control

Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:46 am to
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:46 am to
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Show me the last mass murder with a duck gun. I'll wait.


I can show you the last mass murders were from knives and cars, is that their sole purpose as well?
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:46 am to
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And if someone could give me a reason that there has to be more than, say, five guns in any one house then I would like to hear it.


1. Large game hunting rifle.
2. Small game hunting rifle.
3. Modern sporting rifle for hunting/protection.
4. Large game hunting pistol.
5. Small game hunting pistol.
6. Black powder rifle for hunting.
7. Competition shooting rifle.
8. Competition shooting pistol.
9. Smaller large caliber pistol for concealed carry.
10. Larger caliber pistol for open carry.
11. My rights to own supercede anyone's fear of why I shouldn't.

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There is no valid reason that any regular citizen should have an assault rifle or a gun capable of firing a stupid amount of bullets in the smallest amount of time possible


Give the defining definition of what an assault rifle is.

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I do however see a great need to control the type of guns being made available to the general public (both legally and through loopholes) and the number of guns in a household


Ownership is a right afforded by the 2nd Amendment as a means for citizens to keep Gov't in check. Allowing Gov't to have unbridled control over citizens will not allow that checks and balances to exist.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:46 am to
ETA: too late :(
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:46 am
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:47 am to
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O f course it does. One is designed to shoot a lot of people quickly in a combat situation, the others are designed for hunting


Again. One doesn't function any differently than the others.

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Then why do you need the assault rifle?


I don't have to explain my Constitutional Rights.

Again, give me the defining explanation of what an assault rifle is.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:48 am
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:47 am to
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Know what's awesome?

This. This is.



Too bad they're totally stupid on shotguns.


Otherwise, the ducks would be so fricked.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:48 am
Posted by WheelRoute
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:48 am to
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I'm going to answer with a question of my own.

Since when did gun ownership become about crime?

The 2nd Amendment was put into place, not for fear of crime. But for fear of Gov't overreach. Which there is plenty of nowadays.


Well, many of the people defending gun ownership are doing so under the pretense of protection.

But is your reason for owning a gun to defend against gov't overreach? And given the types of munitions available to the gov't, isn't that a great argument in favor of citizens being able to own rocket launchers and tanks?
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:48 am to
Invasions. typo.

a drum magazine isn't a firearm. And it still functions the same.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:49 am to
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assault rifle is


Capable of full auto and burst fire.


You know that AR's can be illegally modded to achieve this.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:49 am to
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I'm all for banning these.


Why?
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:50 am to
luckily illegally modded guns are already illegal.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:51 am to
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I don't have to explain my Constitutional Rights. Again, give me the defining explanation of what an assault rifle is.
See you say the other side is incapable of reasoned debate and then you fall back on this specious argument. My question still stands unanswered.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:52 am to
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illegally modded guns are already illegal.


No shite.

Do you think there are people that go around to check and see if Bubba has paid Jim Bob 5 of his finest goats to illegally mod his AR-15?


There aren't.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:52 am to
I/he/we don't need one.

Why is that grounds for banning them though?
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:53 am to
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Well, many of the people defending gun ownership are doing so under the pretense of protection


Which is a mistake, imho. The gun control advocates have caused that to be framed in that context.

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But is your reason for owning a gun to defend against gov't overreach? And given the types of munitions available to the gov't, isn't that a great argument in favor of citizens being able to own rocket launchers and tanks?


How many citizens and guns are owned at this time? How many of those citizens are in the military and would side with those folks and their Constitutional Rights? Do you really think the Gov't would destroy infrastructure with tanks and rocket launchers? Do you not think ownership is a deterrent in it's own right?
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:53 am to
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t is? I used to live in southeastern DC and my roommate in Harlem. Never once felt like we needed a weapon. Different strokes for different folks, of course... I'm just trying to understand the NEED to be armed at all times. Did you grow up in a rural area? Currently, in BR, do you live in the area where the majority of violent crime takes place?

yes it is because I like to know i can defend myself. Thats good that y'all were naive and would rather depend on others. Nope, grew up in a neighborhood in Baton Rouge that was upper middle class. No, I live in a nice area where most of the violence isn't taking place but break ins are common in the good areas. In fact some mother fricker broke into my jeep about two weeks ago.

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1) I don't think there is any danger of a bill passing congress outlawing firearms. Most people are trying to regulate them to some modest degree, which seems entirely sensible.
2) I have seen police acting out videos, I don't think I've ever personally witnessed something like that. And for the record, if I did witness a police officer acting out or if I were the victim of a police officer acting out, the last thing I would want is to be in possession of a firearm w/ a mind to use it against him. You will absolutely only make matters worse.
I disagree with how far they will go in regulation. I don't believe in regulating just to do it.

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Well another name for a regulation is a law, and if you criminalize the possession of certain types of firearms then you can imprison those who possess them. Regulation may impact honest people, but that's part of the trade off living in a society as opposed to setting up camp on your own private island. The real question is is the trade off of limiting the purchase of certain types of weapons worth the restriction to "freedom" that a small segment of the population will feel when they can't legally purchase an assault rifle? I say yes.

I say no it is not, and that the rest of society is not safer. In fact I would say they are now less safe. why are they less safe? because now less law abiding citizens have weapons, therefore criminals know you are easy pickings. Some criminals are dumb but others are very aware and take advantage of an easy target and those not armed are the easiest targets.

I do think we need laws and regulations, I just believe we need minimal laws and regulations as well as those laws need to be very, very narrowly tailored laws.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:53 am to
right so any legislation would likely be ineffective against the ones who have already shown disregard for the laws in place?
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:54 am to
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How many citizens and guns are owned at this time?


None.

The south lost that war.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:55 am to
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Capable of full auto and burst fire.


Then, there are extremely few of these owned by citizens. Those that are, are licensed and registered and they must pay a tax for them. And they are nontransferable, except to others who are duly licensed.

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You know that AR's can be illegally modded to achieve this.


So can any other semi auto rifle or pistol. The situation, is that AR's (which stands for Armalite Rifle, not assault rifle) do not do those things. Therefore, they don't fall under the guise of an assault rifle.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:56 am to
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AR's (which stands for Armalite Rifle, not assault rifle)



What were they made to look like and mirror? A combat rifle.


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Those that are, are licensed and registered and they must pay a tax for them. And they are nontransferable, except to others who are duly licensed.


I'm aware. I'm not the one calling ARs assault rifles.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:58 am
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:56 am to
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Do you think there are people that go around to check and see if Bubba has paid Jim Bob 5 of his finest goats to illegally mod his AR-15?


David Koresh says.. hi. Well.. actually he doesn't. He and 89 other citizens were killed by the Gov't.

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