re: Sensible arguments for gun control

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This would eliminate about 2/3 of the crimes committed. IMO

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No. Just no.

For starters, criminals don't typically bother with silly things like permits. Only law abiding citizens actually follow those rules.

But for the sake of argument, let's say that they would. In that case, limiting or elimination gun ownership in your target demographic would have practically no impact on crime.

Newly arrived immigrants (here legally or not) aren't the ones committing crimes and especially not violent crime.

That distinction belongs to an entirely different demographic. Young males (under 30) in general and in particular young black males are responsible for the overwhelming amount of violent crime in America.

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I disagree. Many times, those against gun control have posted logical reasons as to why there shouldn't be any. Even bringing into the debate the intent of the Founding Fathers, on the 2nd Amendment and the citizen's rights to bear arms. There has been very little, if any rational arguments given to counter it. Most wanting gun control in some form, fall back to, remarks such as.. then yall should have nukes too right? or something just as silly and ridiculous.

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Of course you see that as sensible because it's the side you fall on. But sensible debate it also seeing the other side as sensible and debating the merits of the other side. Take Obama's Executive Orders following the Sandy hook shooting. Most of those were sensible ideas, but they were labeled as gun grabbing measures and dismissed by the other side. I think the 2nd Amendment is important and in no way support gun confiscation or radical gun control measures, but many times in these discussions I'm labeled as such because I do think there needs to be some additional gun control in this country.

I have never and will never own a gun and even I find gun control to be absurd.

This isn't small European countries with low violent crime rates to begin with. When you take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens the only people that have them are criminals.

Do these idiots think that criminals are going to turn their illegally obtained guns in to LE?

Also how would it be implemented,

Buy backs?

Would the gov. confiscate millions if not billions worth of legally acquired merchandise.

so you would rather cower down in your home and hope the police arrive in time to save you vs actually defending yourself?

Just like people not all gun violence is equal. I am ok with gun violence rising if it means good citizens are using it to defend themselves from armed robbers and such.

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because I had forgotten most of them.

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Playing devil's advocate a bit... so you claim sensible arguments and measures, but couldn't even recall what they were?

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

Nothing sensible at all about that. Your medical records in the hands of Gov't to decide your Constitutional Rights and whether you should have them? No thanks.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

More taxpayer money thrown out, to get states to do what they don't want to do. No thanks.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

The AG and President are okaying pot everywhere and telling folks not to charge people. Yet, to purchase a firearm, you cannot be a user of it. Contradiction much?

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

My firearm was stolen, so put me through the ringer for having it stolen. Basically, prove you're innocent first.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

Complete infringement of rights. Would require a background check to sell to my brother, father, son, wife, daughter...etc.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

More money wasted to push a political agenda. Instead, quit infringing on rights and gun organizations could do more in that area. They already do much more than the Gov't, and gun control advocates like Bloomberg do.



14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

Trying to classify gun ownership and use as a health problem to get around stripping Constitutional protections. No thanks again.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effectiveuse of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to developinnovative technologies.

On the surface, it sounds ok. Until the AG came out with the bracelet and tracking idea. And the obvious problems with potential failures and inability to have functioning weapons when they are needed.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes

Again, not a medical issue. An end around to violate HIPAA and restrict ownership.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

Very vague. Again, using medical to potentially disqualify gun ownership.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations

The more you can qualify as having any type of mental issue, the more you can disqualify those who can own a firearm.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

See above.

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Even bringing into the debate the intent of the Founding Fathers, on the 2nd Amendment and the citizen's rights to bear arms.

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Ah the ole Founding Fathers line of bullshite.

I guess we should only allow citizens to have muskets with that logic.

Replace all guns with turtles.

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Take the per capita rate of gun deaths for the US and compare it to most countries in Europe, Asia, or Canada for starters.

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It is hard to make a legitimate comparison between the US and other countries due to the US being more diverse than most countries. European countries are hard to compare with because most are the size of states and they are way less diverse than the United States.

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I couldn't recall them specifically, but could recall reading them when they were announced and thinking they weren't that unreasonable.

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because they are from the left boot that you enjoy.