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re: Sensible arguments for gun control
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:47 am to MIZ_COU
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:47 am to MIZ_COU
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Take the per capita rate of gun deaths for the US and compare it to most countries in Europe, Asia, or Canada for starters.
Without taking into account, population, ethnicity, unemployment rates, laws?
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:48 am to PrivatePublic
If we would highly regulate and enforce the immigration laws already on the books and boot out any and all undesirables say too Hati, then I would have no problem registering my weapons.
This world is all about compromise and I am willing to do my part.
This world is all about compromise and I am willing to do my part.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:49 am to The Spleen
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Not interested in really debating them. My original point was, in my opinion, they provided a decent jump off point for sensible debate, but were quickly dismissed by the opposition as being unreasonable, and even some labeled them as gun confiscation measures
There's nothing sensible in your argument then. You state what you thought was sensible, without remembering them. Then when a different view was provided, you refuse to debate them. That's everything opposite of sensible debate. It's not even debate. It's stating a position, without backing, then taking your ball and going home, so as to not hear a different perspective.
I'll standby my earlier statement, that gun control opponents are the only ones that have and do provide logical, thought out, reasonable debate and responses.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:50 am to Weagle25
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People use that "30,000 people die from Gun Violence every year" fact like that's a big number.
30,000/313 million = 0.0096%
That approximate 30k per year number also includes people shooting and killing themselves, actually almost 62% of the number is that. only about 10-11k a year are not self inflicted. There is a whole lot more that kills more than that per year in the US
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:51 am to NYCAuburn
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. There is a whole lot more that kills more than that per year in the US
And?
Still unnecessary violence.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:51 am to Alahunter
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To humor you though, show me where muskets are written into the Constitution.
Those were the only arms available at the time. You don't think people should have nukes, but doesn't that fall under the 2nd amendment? It is an arm after all.
Dismissing it as a silly comment just shows that you don't have a good answer.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 10:52 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:51 am to Alahunter
quote:You can certainly take all those into account.
Without taking into account, population, ethnicity, unemployment rates, laws?
The ethnicity one sounds especially fun
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 10:54 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:52 am to Rebelgator
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And?
Still unnecessary violence.
Hammers kill more people than guns every year. Do I need to elaborate the train of thought on this?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:53 am to Rebelgator
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And?
Still unnecessary violence.
Do you see people up in arms to remove constitutional rights for those? they are still unnecessary deaths, right
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:54 am to Stonehog
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Those were the only arms available at the time
Mechanical printing presses were only available at that time. Should the 1st Amend not apply to tv and radio journalists now?
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You don't think people should have nukes
Addressed your side bringing up the nukes already.
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Dismissing it as a silly comment just shows that you don't have a good answer
No, it's really silly.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:55 am to NYCAuburn
quote:I would even argue that self defense cases should be pulled from the number. then it leaves us with accidents and crimes from guns and it is more accurate.
That approximate 30k per year number also includes people shooting and killing themselves, actually almost 62% of the number is that. only about 10-11k a year are not self inflicted.
More legislation is almost never the correct answer in response to problems in other sectors, so it would be reasonable that more legislation isn't the answer to some bogeyman gun violence problem. Criminals are going to do what they want regardless of the amount of legislation put in place.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:56 am to Alahunter
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Addressed your side bringing up the nukes already.
No you didn't, you just said it was silly. Why should nukes be regulated?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:59 am to Stonehog
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Sensible arguments for gun control
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Why should nukes be regulated?
Have you any idea why this is a stupid/silly question in this thread?
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 10:59 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:59 am to PrivatePublic
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I am always skeptical of legislation with intent to restrict personal freedoms rather than those which would grant and protect rights.
You know Gasoline would be $1.50 a gallon if we had just one Federal mixture even if you made it the most stringent cocktail, but you can't get people fired up about that.
Flags & firearms always draw an emotional response from the peanut gallery and keep politicians earmarks flowing....
I am always skeptical of legislation with intent to restrict personal freedoms rather than those which would grant and protect rights.
You know Gasoline would be $1.50 a gallon if we had just one Federal mixture even if you made it the most stringent cocktail, but you can't get people fired up about that.
Flags & firearms always draw an emotional response from the peanut gallery and keep politicians earmarks flowing....
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:02 am to cokebottleag
quote:According to the FBI about 500 people are killed each year with all blunt objects.
Hammers kill more people than guns every year.
If you are going to make shite up, could you at least come up with something less stupid?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:02 am to Alahunter
I see you still don't have a good answer.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:03 am to Stonehog
Sorry I can't stoop to stupidity's level to answer to your satisfaction.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:04 am to Alahunter
Calling the other side stupid, that's your idea of sensible debate.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:05 am to Alahunter
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There's nothing sensible in your argument then.
My whole argument has been NEITHER side is capable of having a sensible argument on the topic. The extremes on both sides of the argument have become the dominant voices in the debate, and the sensible ones in the middle have been pushed to the side. I used the Executive Orders as an example of what I thought was sensible debate from the gun control side, and used the example of them being so quickly dismissed by the pro-gun crowd to show how unreasonable that side can be.
I think BOTH sides have provided reasonable arguments, but those arguments are drowned out by the extremists on BOTH sides.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:06 am to Alahunter
Meanwhile, in the one place in America, with some of, if not THE strictest gun control laws in place...
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6 children shot in violent Chicago holiday weekend
Four girls and a boy were shot after leaving an Easter barbecue and a 15-year-old girl was shot while riding in a vehicle
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The weekend toll for gun violence in the city includes at least 9 people dead and at least 35 wounded
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