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Posted on 3/17/14 at 8:49 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Posted on 3/17/14 at 8:49 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Once it went missing wouldn't they have been more heightened to things like this?
It's easy to think of an air traffic control station as a well oiled machine, but it's likely not the case in a small country like Malaysia. When they lost contact, they expected the flight to move on to Vietnam (if I remember correctly.) They likely facilitated the handover to Vietnamese ATC as they'd done a million times before, and didn't think much was up until the fricker didn't report to Vietnamese ATC. Then you go back and figure out WTF happened.
It probably took them a couple hours to figure our something was up after coordinating with agencies from other countries.
People always assume the ATC system is some conglomerated thing, but even here in America planes are constantly being transferred between the local ARTCC's. There are 22 in America, and while they communicate with each other pretty fluidly under the auspices of the federal FAA, they're still plenty of opportunities to get lost if you wanted to. Imagine the same situation between two seperate countries with different processes, etc.
In summary, it probably took Malaysia an hour or so to realize the plane went missing, and by then they'd have just started the processes to look for weird shite. Based on the theories, the plane may have already been across the Malaysian peninsula by the time they figured it out.
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:06 pm to Mizzeaux
Yep.
ATC here is top notch.
ATC in those countries, who the frick knows.
There's likely multiple frick ups regarding ATC.
And these countries might not want to relate those frick ups to the rest of the world.
At the very least we already know Malaysian Operations Specialists are not to par with the USN OS types.
#shittyMilitary
ATC here is top notch.
ATC in those countries, who the frick knows.
There's likely multiple frick ups regarding ATC.
And these countries might not want to relate those frick ups to the rest of the world.
At the very least we already know Malaysian Operations Specialists are not to par with the USN OS types.
#shittyMilitary
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:26 pm to Mizzeaux
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fricker's going to wind up flying in to something. The only thing that doesn't make me think that was the initial goal of the hijacking was the plane's proximity to Kuala Lampur during the hijacking.
I think this is the worrisome aspect that has got our best military minds working overtime. After their wild success on 9/11, radical Islamist terrorists no doubt have been planning an encore attack using a jumbo jet.
I'm sure they have only one target in mind, too.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:29 pm to Remote Controlled
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Post your favorite Flight 370 conspiracy theory here.
The Langoliers.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:36 pm to Kentucker
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I think this is the worrisome aspect that has got our best military minds working overtime. After their wild success on 9/11, radical Islamist terrorists no doubt have been planning an encore attack using a jumbo jet.
I'm sure they have only one target in mind, too.
I don't see it being us if the goal was to run this plane in to some shite. It seems like if this was a hijacking with the sophistication required to pull it off and hide it for so long it would have been a lot easier to just snag an American flight departing from an airport a lot closer to the target.
That why I mentioned Kuala Lampur earlier. IF they want to run a plane from Kuala Lampur into something it seems like the Petronas Towers would have been the target. You wouldn't have to hide a plane from radar, land it, kill passengers, refuel, and fly across half the globe to do it.
If it was a hijacking/911 plot, I've got a feeling it would have been Kuala Lampur. It's just my feeling/logic driving that opinion though.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:40 pm to Mizzeaux
how close does this plane get to American soil before it would be shot down?
or would it?
or would it?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:48 pm to Latarian
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how close does this plane get to American soil before it would be shot down?
It might not, especially if the whole "shadowing a normally schedule flight to avoid radar detection" theory proves to be plausible. The real secret would be trying to find a flight from wherever the Malaysian plane currently is (assuming it's not at the bottom of an ocean) to the first place it could intercept a US bound flight and then following that flight to stay in the radar "shadow."
Like I said before, that takes a lot of work/luck to really pull off in my informed but unprofessional estimation and the longer the flight is the more likely it is to frick up.
Like I said before, I feel like if this was a terror plot to hit something on our side of the world the knowledge and skill to pull it off as well as it's been pulled off thus far would best be served trying to do the same thing with a flight the departed from an airport closer to the target instead of flying it across the world to accomplish the same thing.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:57 pm to pivey14
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Cliffs please
Basically, Mugatu and his terror network hijacked a plane. Derek Zoolander and Hansel will team up to solve the case. They will travel he world in search of the missing airframe. Occasionally, they will seek advice from a talking wiener dog named "Jeffrey".
This will also be the plot to Zoolander II and billions will be made from this movie. I can't believe none of you have deciphered this yet.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:12 pm to Remote Controlled
Plane was flown into the Indian Ocean and intentionally crashed by one or both of the pilots.
The lack of cell phone usage by the passengers is a huge red flag for me. I think they were unaware of anything.
The lack of cell phone usage by the passengers is a huge red flag for me. I think they were unaware of anything.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:16 pm to Gator5220
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The lack of cell phone usage by the passengers is a huge red flag for me. I think they were unaware of anything.
Meh, if you're directly over a cell tower at 35,000 feet you're 6.5 miles away from the tower, start adding some lateral distance and you've even further. Cell phone usage, or the lack thereof, isn't really a clue, especially if you're flying over places with no cell phone towers (the ocean) or sparse call phone coverage (the jungles of Malaysia.)
Ever try to use your cell phone on a fly as you fly over a city? It's damn near impossible, and this is 'Merica.
ETA: I just thought, if a plane cruising will change its altitude, direction or speed it is usually because it was prompted by ATC or will make a decision and report/request the change to ATC. Shadowing an aircraft like they're saying in the theory may not be as difficult as I thought assuming they're on the same ATC frequency as the aircraft they're shadowing, which would obviously be the case.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:28 pm to Mizzeaux
Terrorists don't need to strike America to be successful, just American interests. Please don't forget that we have thousands of troops in South Korea and Japan...
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:31 pm to mizzoukills
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Terrorists don't need to strike America to be successful, just American interests. Please don't forget that we have thousands of troops in South Korea and Japan...
Yeah, but this seems like a lot of work for flying a plane into an American installation abroad. I still stand behind what I said before, you take a plane from Kuala Lampur and want to make a splash, you fly it into the Petronas Towers and it's done. It's a lot easier than doing this hide and seek shite and hoping you get over to whatever it is the ultimate goal is.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:36 pm to Mizzeaux
I'm not saying you're wrong...but striking a major military base or huge American target in that part of the world would be more shocking than striking an obvious target like the towers.
Or, perhaps they use this thing to strike Israel
Or, perhaps they use this thing to strike Israel
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:44 pm to mizzoukills
No one knew where Bin Laden was until it was reported on the news that we killed him.
I think the plane landed safely, and I think the CIA knows exactly where it's at.
At this point it's very unlikely that it crashed. A crash at sea would produce a lot of debris and an oil slick from the fuel. A crash on land would have smoked for days, and someone would have spotted it by now. The exception here being it was shot down and cleaned up.
I think we're trying to figure out if there are hostages, where they're located, and how to extract them.
A plane that size doesn't crash without being discovered by everyone. A plane that size doesn't land without being discovered by someone. You just can't convince me that with as many drones and spy satellites and other technology we don't even know about at our dispense that nobody knows where this plane is at.
I think the plane landed safely, and I think the CIA knows exactly where it's at.
At this point it's very unlikely that it crashed. A crash at sea would produce a lot of debris and an oil slick from the fuel. A crash on land would have smoked for days, and someone would have spotted it by now. The exception here being it was shot down and cleaned up.
I think we're trying to figure out if there are hostages, where they're located, and how to extract them.
A plane that size doesn't crash without being discovered by everyone. A plane that size doesn't land without being discovered by someone. You just can't convince me that with as many drones and spy satellites and other technology we don't even know about at our dispense that nobody knows where this plane is at.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:45 pm to mizzoukills
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Or, perhaps they use this things to strike Israel
Isreal I could see. Airport security in Isreal is so tight it would be damn near impossible to get some hijackers on the plane. We're not talking about documents, we're talking about security agents trained to see you acting nervous at all. That would not only be a matter of taking over a plane, but being able to pass through security/deal with on aircraft security to get onto a plane that you could take over and turn back into some place in Israel.
But again, there plenty of places closer to Israel from which to snag a plane if that was the goal.
I seriously don't know what's going on with this thing, but every scenario I've heard that involves future terrorism using this aircraft just seems far fetched and overly complicated to me. If anything, I'd say it was a terrorist situation against Malaysia where the pilots somehow depressurized the cabin after the hijacking, everyone died, and the thing flew until it fell out of the air from fuel starvation.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:10 am to GoBigOrange86
Posted on 3/18/14 at 8:14 am to Remote Controlled
George Bush hijacked it
Posted on 3/18/14 at 9:54 am to Remote Controlled
Plane landed somewhere and is stocking up on nukes to load plane and make a 9/11 type attack on Israel. I've heard em all
Posted on 3/18/14 at 10:13 am to Camo Tiger 337
Is it possible that cyber hackers from a terrorist state or a terrorist group hacked into the plane's system and changed the flight path to bring the plane to an undisclosed location?
Iran pulled it off with one of our stealth drones a few years ago.
Iran pulled it off with one of our stealth drones a few years ago.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 10:18 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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At this point it's very unlikely that it crashed. A crash at sea would produce a lot of debris and an oil slick from the fuel. A crash on land would have smoked for days, and someone would have spotted it by now. The exception here being it was shot down and cleaned up.
Not necessarily. A crash into triple jungle canopy would be practically invisible from the air. Have you forgotten how the flight that landed in the NY river didn't break up?
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