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re: Ohio woman gets herself 300 day contempt of court sentence
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:38 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:38 pm to Alahunter
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If one cant act civilized in a nuetral settinh, one shouldnt expect to be treated like a civilized person. Too many arrogant, self centered heatherns in this day and age.
Let's lock em all up!
Oh wait, we do.
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:38 pm to BluegrassBelle
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And just ignore any other behavior that warranted more than your standard 30 days contempt charge?
Treatment - more court ordered treatment/community service. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than keeping her locked up, and much more likely to get some type of positive results.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:40 pm to AUbagman
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Treatment - more court ordered treatment/community service. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than keeping her locked up, and much more likely to get some type of positive results.
It's really not. Court ordered treatment these days is a failure at best and if you're talking about actual clinical help most can't afford it. The government isn't willing to put the money into the facilities to actually provide decent treatment. Your "treatment" right now is a couple of group meetings with counselors who barely have their certification.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:41 pm to AUbagman
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more court ordered treatment/community service
What the frick? Dude, that's far too much common sense. My grandpappy's generation locked them up, my pappy's generation locked them up and by god, our generation will lock them up.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:42 pm to AUbagman
Its a lawsuit away from community service being cruel and unusual punishment or a civil rights violation. You cant community service or two week treat arrogance and self centered attitudes, which is what that heathern displayed.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Your "treatment" right now is a couple of group meetings with counselors who barely have their certification.
Again, even at a minimalist level, the treatment route is more effective than the cage route.
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The government isn't willing to put the money into the facilities to actually provide decent treatment.
Yeah, another topic altogether, but in short, that tells us all we need to know about what the end game in all of this is.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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My grandpappy's generation locked them up, my pappy's generation locked them up and by god, our generation will lock them up.
More like..
Grandpappy's generation put them on the chain gang. Pappy's locked them up. Our generation is give them a hug and take their abuse.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:49 pm to Alahunter
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More like..
Grandpappy's generation put them on the chain gang. Pappy's locked them up. Our generation is give them a hug and take their abuse.
Our rates of imprisonment have risen dramatically. We're not going in the direction you think we are going.
But, big/authoritarian government types don't seem to mind spending 45k a year per prisoner, plus taking care of their dependents. It's your tax dollar
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:49 pm to Alahunter
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Our generation is give them a hug and take their abuse.
We're locking them up at much higher rates now. The John Dillingers and Al Capones of the world laugh at this supposed hard-lined stance of the good ol' days.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Our rates of imprisonment have risen dramatically.
Most, due to drugs. Violent people need to be locked up, and those with no remorse and who state their intention to continue to break the law and defy judge's orders, should remain in prison.
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But, big/authoritarian government types don't seem to mind spending 45k a year per prisoner, plus taking care of their dependents. It's your tax dollar
As I said, that just tells me, folks are getting it too cushy. Time to eliminate weight rooms, libraries, etc.. Essential food only, like PB&J's and water only, no commissaries... Hard time should be hard time.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:52 pm to AUbagman
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We're locking them up at much higher rates now. The John Dillingers and Al Capones of the world laugh at this supposed hard-lined stance of the good ol' days.
No shite. I don't know what rock some of these folks are living under. We're far more likely to throw people in prison for longer sentences than they were 80 years ago.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:53 pm to AUbagman
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We're locking them up at much higher rates now
Again, mostly drug. And many are getting paroled right back out at much higher rates.
The John Dillingers and Al Capones would also laugh at the slaps on the wrist and 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances, and knowing the fact they could get free gov't assistance for their family members while they got their law degree on the taxpayer dime.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
And parole them out quicker, and give them all kinds of comfort that didn't exist back then, as well as reward their families on the taxpayer's dime, for their criminal behavior.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:55 pm to AUbagman
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Again, even at a minimalist level, the treatment route is more effective than the cage route.
So instead of 30 days for contempt, a couple of meetings in a faulty treatment system while she's making open threats about going back to the home of her victim is more effective?
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:55 pm to BluegrassBelle
But hugs.. she'll get hugs too.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:56 pm to Alahunter
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Our rates of imprisonment have risen dramatically.
Most, due to drugs.
Drug laws.
Funny, when prohibition came about people thought the prisons would empty. Turned out it caused violent crime to increase. We didn't learn our lesson the first time.
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Violent people need to be locked up,
Prisons should be for violent offenders.
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and those with no remorse and who state their intention to continue to break the law and defy judge's orders, should remain in prison.
It's sad people like yourself get to vote
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But, big/authoritarian government types don't seem to mind spending 45k a year per prisoner, plus taking care of their dependents. It's your tax dollar
As I said, that just tells me, folks are getting it too cushy. Time to eliminate weight rooms, libraries, etc..
I'm pretty sure the cost we're talking here is only operating budgets, not capital budgets.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No shite. I don't know what rock some of these folks are living under. We're far more likely to throw people in prison for longer sentences than they were 80 years ago.
To be fair, I routinely see more people serve longer sentences for non-violent offense than violent these days. People weren't getting locked up 80s years ago for possession of marijuana.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:57 pm to Alahunter
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And parole them out quicker,
bullshite
We do have early releases for violent offenders. Know why? Because we're locking people away for 300 f'king days for "disrespect" and running out of prison space.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Prisons should be for violent offenders.
And the person in the OP is a violent offender who assaulted her grandfather and threatened to return to his home.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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and those with no remorse and who state their intention to continue to break the law and defy judge's orders, should remain in prison.
It's sad people like yourself get to vote
It's saddening/scary that anyone wouldn't agree with that statement.
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I'm pretty sure the cost we're talking here is only operating budgets, not capital budgets.
There are ways to lessen operating budgets as well. But then, folks would be crying about making prisoners work to support their incarceration.
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