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Posted on 9/24/14 at 2:08 pm to five_fivesix
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hey, sometimes you hafta beat folks into Peace
Posted on 9/24/14 at 2:16 pm to five_fivesix
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hey, sometimes you hafta beat folks
That's racist
Posted on 9/24/14 at 3:05 pm to hogtied
He's an assassin president. Impressive in that regard.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 4:34 pm to hogtied
What other strategies could President Obama have used in the Middle East? The radical groups there want nothing less than the total destruction of our way of life.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 4:42 pm to Kentucker
Arm certain friendly rebel groups with small arms and heavy weapons that only they could use and that would have a shelf life of 2 years, and after that they go bad, just in case those masked mujahideen decide to turn against us!
Pew pew! Pew pew pew!
Seriously-this was something that was suggested by certain congress persons when talk of arming the Syrian rebels was first discussed.
Getting involved over there is like trying to pick a turd up by the clean end. The best thing to do? PMC's with air support. See the Sierra Leone civil war for a good example of what a few motivated, and paid, contractors can get done.
Pew pew! Pew pew pew!
Seriously-this was something that was suggested by certain congress persons when talk of arming the Syrian rebels was first discussed.
Getting involved over there is like trying to pick a turd up by the clean end. The best thing to do? PMC's with air support. See the Sierra Leone civil war for a good example of what a few motivated, and paid, contractors can get done.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 5:41 pm to DownSouthJukin
We armed an entire nation, Iraq, and left them to fight off their enemies by themselves. That didn't work out well.
Isn't it better to be fighting on their turf than on ours? As long as we can keep them from taking over a country, ISIS and other radical Islamist forces won't be able to solidify their strengths.
Isn't it better to be fighting on their turf than on ours? As long as we can keep them from taking over a country, ISIS and other radical Islamist forces won't be able to solidify their strengths.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 5:48 pm to The Spleen
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Yet he's labeled as a weak pushover by the right. Weird.
I have to wonder how much of it is his decision ultimately, too. If you have the CIA, JCS or the majority of your advisers claiming that there are legitimate targets I don't think you could cogently decline it without significant backlash.
But this is one of those scenarios where people call him a weak liberal pussy and then a warmonger who bombs everyone on both ends of the spectrum. You are certainly right in that regard.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 5:49 pm to Kentucker
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What other strategies could President Obama have used in the Middle East? The radical groups there want nothing less than the total destruction of our way of life.
Not pulled troops out of Iraq. Not tried to arm rebels against Assad, and then less than a year later, let Assad know we're bombing the terrorists he's been fighting against. More importantly, seal our own damn borders. Nothing we're doing over there makes a shite as long as millions are walking across our border, not to mention the thousands upon thousands of foreign students we've lost track of....
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:00 pm to Alahunter
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Not pulled troops out of Iraq. Not tried to arm rebels against Assad, and then less than a year later, let Assad know we're bombing the terrorists he's been fighting against.
FSA =/= Al-Nusra =/= ISIS.
Rebels encompass those groups, but they are nothing alike.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Free Syrian Army rebels defect to Islamist group Jabhat al-Nusra
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Second to ISIS, al-Nusra attracts the most foreign fighters among rebel groups in the Syrian civil war. These fighters mostly come from the Middle East, but also from Chechnya and European states, with a smaller number from more distant countries like Australia and the United States. The first al-Nusra attack by an American citizen was carried out in May 2014.
The organization originally took orders from both Al Qaeda in Iraq and Al Qaeda senior leadership. [26] After the AQI/ISIS quarrel in 2013, al-Nusra commander Julani renewed his pledge of allegiance to Al Qaeda.
In the end, they're all the same and will be our enemies. As I said, less than a year ago, our people wanted to arm them, now we've done a 180 and letting Assad know we're throwing down on them. Our foreign policy is worse than it's ever been, coupled with the lack of a national border right now.. this administration has effed Americans down the road worse than they've ever been.
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Second to ISIS, al-Nusra attracts the most foreign fighters among rebel groups in the Syrian civil war. These fighters mostly come from the Middle East, but also from Chechnya and European states, with a smaller number from more distant countries like Australia and the United States. The first al-Nusra attack by an American citizen was carried out in May 2014.
The organization originally took orders from both Al Qaeda in Iraq and Al Qaeda senior leadership. [26] After the AQI/ISIS quarrel in 2013, al-Nusra commander Julani renewed his pledge of allegiance to Al Qaeda.
In the end, they're all the same and will be our enemies. As I said, less than a year ago, our people wanted to arm them, now we've done a 180 and letting Assad know we're throwing down on them. Our foreign policy is worse than it's ever been, coupled with the lack of a national border right now.. this administration has effed Americans down the road worse than they've ever been.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:12 pm to Alahunter
quote:The Free Syrian Army is moderate, secular and backed by the United States with weapons and training. The FSA has been described as a proxy of the United States.[43] In recent months these weapons have included advanced American made BGM-71 TOW anti-tank missiles.[44] The FSA is in stark contrast with groups such as Jabhat al-Nusra which have been designated as terrorist by several Western countries;[45] this has led to a rift between the secular forces fighting the Syrian government and al-Qaeda linked groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS, often resulting in deaths.[46][47] The FSA maintains good relations with moderate Islamist factions such as the Islamic Front.[44]
he organization originally took orders from both Al Qaeda in Iraq and Al Qaeda senior leadership. [26] After the AQI/ISIS quarrel in 2013, al-Nusra commander Julani renewed his pledge of allegiance to Al Qaeda.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:14 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
They are in non-aggression right now because of ISIS, but they're not the same fricking organization. 
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The Free Syrian Army is moderate, secular and backed by the United States with weapons and training
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The Al Nusrah Front for the People of the Levant, al Qaeda's official branch in Syria, teamed up with a Free Syrian Army unit known as the Liwa al Ummah to overrun a military outpost in Idlib province last week. Free Syrian Army units continue to ally themselves with the Al Nusrah Front on the battlefield despite Al Nusrah's public affiliation with al Qaeda.
The latest joint operations between the Al Nusrah Front and the Free Syrian Army took place on March 6, when the two groups attacked a Syrian Army outpost in the city of Khan Sheikhun in Idlib province. The Al Nusrah Front announced the joint operation in a statement that was released yesterday; the statement was translated by the SITE Intelligence Group
We shouldn't be training or arming any of them. FSA = Al Nusra = AQ = ISIS.. in the end, they'll all be enemies and use their training and our own weapons against us.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:24 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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but they're not the same fricking organization
Except for the ones that were in both.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:29 pm to Alahunter
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Except for the ones that were in both.
That doesn't mean they're the same people at all. Those organizations have different ideals.
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We don't need to be arming anyone.
Eh, it's not like we haven't done it in the past and we won't do it in the future.
The FSA is a military organization, and so I trust them more than I trust the Assad regime. They're not going to get in power and suddenly be in Russia's pocket.
They'd probably be similar to Ukraine.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:12 pm to Alahunter
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The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama
Do they give these now for most vacation days in office?
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:24 pm to TigerPanzer
quote:deserves a Rantee trophy.
Maybe he's going after the Nobel War Prize.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:43 pm to Alahunter
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Not pulled troops out of Iraq.
Couldn't have known the Iraqi army was pussified.
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Not tried to arm rebels against Assad, and then less than a year later, let Assad know we're bombing the terrorists he's been fighting against.
Doesn't matter how we relate to Assad. He's a dead man walking.
I think our intelligence agencies and military don't have a lot of faith in the Syrian opposition to Assad. We've been played by too many groups in the Middle East.
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More importantly, seal our own damn borders. Nothing we're doing over there makes a shite as long as millions are walking across our border, not to mention the thousands upon thousands of foreign students we've lost track of....
Couldn't agree more. Our open southern border is the single biggest threat to national security. It'll take a terrorist invasion via Mexico to wake people up, apparently.
This post was edited on 9/24/14 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:54 pm to hogtied
Like a frickin' boss. 
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