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re: Nice opinion piece on income inequality from CNN

Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:31 pm to
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:31 pm to
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Why I ask is because the greatest movement against this we've seen was the Occupy Wallstreet movement and it fizzled pretty quick with literally no economic impact.




What a laughable group of retards that was.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:34 pm to
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Technology boom (that had nothing to do with the economy)


Debatable

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The economics behind it has zero to do with it.


Unless you believe the anticipation of personal gain is a major driving factor of technological innovation.
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:36 pm to
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The trend isn't where I'd personally like it on that front, but we're obviously not close to the tipping point.


I think this is where the disconnect is with a lot of people. If you speak out about income inequality you're labeled a 1%er or Occupy Wall Streeter, and accused of being jealous of the rich. All that most that speak out against it are doing is pointing to some troubling trends in regards to income and wealth growth. I don't think many think it's anywhere close to crisis stage, but to many like myself it is cause for concern. It adds to the argument of out country being a plutocracy.
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:38 pm to
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StrawsDrawnAtRandom


You can get a touch preachy at times, but you generally bring an interesting thought to the table.

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Any country regardless of economic position would have done well if they had had what we did to start out.


I wouldn't go that far, but obviously America has some significant advantages and resources at it's disposal.

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China with their mixed economy is doing pretty well


Yes but there is trouble ahead. The one child rule has set China up for a demographic nightmare in a couple of decades. In the short term they are cooling as well, and must focus on a consumer based economy. I don't deny their system has worked well, but there is still plenty of trouble ahead.

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Japan


Uh...their economy has been shitty for the better part of the last 20 years.

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all because of technology.


No.

Tech has helped to even the playing field. There are other factors driving those economies though. Natural resources, trade policy, ect......the same shite that drives every economy.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:46 pm to
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I know, why wouldn't the poor be behind the anti poverty strategy of cutting their food, healthcare, and housing aid off? Their votes aren't bought, but the right has shown zero interest in actually doing anything about poverty. It's all about demonizing the poor for being lazy leeches. It's all about playing on your emotions, and it works. The left's philosophy on this front is severely flawed, but it's better than "frick em" for the lower class


Of course the "right" needs to come up with some better plans. But continuing to add to entitlements is worse than "frick em". When people are forced to do for themselves, they will, more than given the choice to get a guaranteed check, food and shelter. Then their time can be spent watching tv or any other reason to continue getting overweight. Again, this goes back to the entitlement feeling that permeates American society. What's so wrong with earning your food and shelter. Nobody is guaranteed a $100K house, picket fence, 2 cell phones, cable and an xbox. But I would venture to guess, that over 2/3 of those on Gov't programs have those cell phones, Xboxes, ipods, etc.. Necessity and want have blended to the point nobody knows what separates them anymore it seems.

Sure, it'd be nice if everyone lived in middle American neighborhoods, had the same clean office job and the likes. But reality, is that people are different, some aren't capable of the same achievements, and some choose not to achieve. Those folks don't "deserve" the same pay that someone who does achieve more, and works harder get.

For the largest part, those in squalor and poor conditions, in America.. choose to be there. Either through laziness, ignorance or choice. There is ample opportunity to get ahead in this country, if one wishes to put in the work.
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:47 pm to
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I think this is where the disconnect is with a lot of people. If you speak out about income inequality you're labeled a 1%er or Occupy Wall Streeter, and accused of being jealous of the rich.


The left isn't the only side playing the class warfare card.

You're right though. Even talking about it gets responses like the first couple of pages in this thread. It's become too much of a wedge issue to have a decent discussion about it.

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I don't think many think it's anywhere close to crisis stage, but to many like myself it is cause for concern.


I'm with you. What do you think needs to be done to improve the trend?

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It adds to the argument of out country being a plutocracy.



I think we're more corporatist. Not that it makes me feel any better.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:50 pm to
Man you guys have your Roger Ales talking points down.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:51 pm to
Who is that?

eta- just looked him up.

fwiw, I don't watch any of the network or cable news shows. I try to get news from more independent sources. newsnow.co.uk, brings a variety of sources to one site. Often times, getting several articles on the same issue, giving one a chance to decide the closest thing to truth. newsdaily.com is another decent site, as is bbc.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:51 pm to
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What do you think needs to be done to improve the trend?


education and shift in culture.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:54 pm to
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adds to the argument of out country being a plutocracy. 


I think we're more corporatist. 



And I agree, I am extremely concerned about that. As Reagan said, "I'm gonna go upstairs and buttfrick Nancy".















I mean " Government is not the solution to our problem, Government is the problem".
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:54 pm to
Agree. The underlying issue behind poverty, crime and a lot of what ails this country, is socio-economic. Until truthful, frank dialogue happens on this, nothing will change.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:56 pm to
A major problem is that education is in the governments hands. I don't know of an easy solution to that.

I do have some ideas on a difficult solution.
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:57 pm to
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t adds to the argument of out country being a plutocracy.


I think we're more corporatist. Not that it makes me feel any better.




Well, if the Supreme Court keeps agreeing that corporations are people there really isn't much of a difference.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:58 pm to
Federal Gov't is a huge problem. This country wasn't designed for the Fed to have as much power as it has now. States rights need to be restored in many areas. Education is one of them.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:59 pm to
The original OP was on income inequality rising to thrid world levels. It immediately got turned in to I hate people who hate wealthy people (although I ddin't see a post about that). Now it's off on several tangents. About the only thing that hasn't been discussed is income inequality.
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:00 pm to
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But continuing to add to entitlements is worse than "frick em".


I certainly agree adding to our current broken system is a fools errand. Without an alternative you're left selling "we're going to take away your access to food and housing." Good luck with that.

RogerThewhatever from Alaska has posted some quality stuff on the perverse incentive structure built into the safety net. That's where I want to attack. Streamline all the programs under one agency. Then tweek the system so it doesn't punish people on the dole for getting a job. It's a piece of the puzzle but it's a good start.

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For the largest part, those in squalor and poor conditions, in America.. choose to be there. Either through laziness, ignorance or choice.


This is where I take issue. There is truth in some are lazy. There is certainly ignorance out there, but who's to blame for that?

The rural poor are want for opportunity. Lacking education and resources makes it terribly difficult to just pick up and move somewhere with more opportunity available. The inner cities are plagued with the results of the war on drugs. It's not like business is clamoring to set up shop next door to Legion Field. So drug dealing is your the lowest hanging fruit to carve out a living. So then we arrest them and put felonies on their records. Makes it tougher to get a job and breaks up families. The result of this tied with the problems with the entitlement system have been catastrophic. I wish it was just laziness.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:00 pm to
When people aren't working the same job and producing the same, you can't compare salaries.
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:03 pm to
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I do have some ideas on a difficult solution.


I for one am curious about those ideas.
Posted by UMTigerRebel
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:03 pm to
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I think this is where the disconnect is with a lot of people. If you speak out about income inequality you're labeled a 1%er or Occupy Wall Streeter, and accused of being jealous of the rich

Exactly. There was a story about Caterpillar a while back where the employees wages were frozen because they were above the industry average despite the company having record profits, and the CEO took a massive pay raise.

That seems greedy to me.

There are many wealthy people I admire. As I said earlier Jack Taylor of ERAC is one of them. He's on the Forbes 400 list. The vast majority of employees at the company start out entry level and work their way up. It's all about being paid for performance, and many are rewarded handsomely.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:03 pm to
There is absolutely nothing I or anybody else could say that would make any of you even think about your positions. Your minds are as hard as stone
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