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Posted on 3/3/14 at 7:19 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I'm offline for almost an hour and I come back to this? Weak sauce. 
Posted on 3/3/14 at 7:43 pm to Anthony_Pel_Davis
People believe that white Christian males are the most victimized group in America. Those people are white Christian males, and they are insecure and dumb.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 7:49 pm to TeLeFaWx
Exactly. It's awesome being a white male.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 7:49 pm to Duke
So awesome
Posted on 3/3/14 at 7:51 pm to Duke
I think Chris Rock said it best when "Why are white people always taking pills and shite because of depression? Hey you're white! Smile!"
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:46 am to Anthony_Pel_Davis
Another reason to never return to the state where I grew up. You can't fix stupid!
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:21 am to Anthony_Pel_Davis
I support gay marriage and I see absolutely no issue with Mississippi's or Arizona's bills and I'll just quote myself here to expound on this...
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Even though I’m for marriage equality, I have no problem with Arizona’s SB 1062.
SB 1062 does nothing more than align state law with the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act (which passed the House unanimously, the Senate 97-3, and was signed by President Clinton in 1993). That is, no government action can “substantially burden” religious exercise unless the government uses “the least restrictive means” to further a “compelling interest.” This doesn’t mean that people can “do whatever they want” — laws against murder would still trump religious human sacrifice — but it would prevent the government from forcing people to violate their religion if that can at all be avoided. Moreover, there’s no mention of sexual orientation (or any other class or category).
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At the end of the day, that’s what this is about: tolerance and respect for other people’s beliefs. While governments have the duty to treat everyone equally under the law, private individuals should be able to make their own decisions on whom to do business with and how – on religious or any other grounds. Those who disagree can take their custom elsewhere and encourage others to do the same.
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Private citizens and their private property, capital, and labor don't belong to you and they certainly don't belong to the gov't.
To deny people private property rights means to turn people into property owned by the state.
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Civilized people exchange with each other only when both favor the transaction. Only a thug brings in the state when a baker won't bake him a cake.
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A hypothetical gay couple are members of a "protected class."
If they choose to target an orthodox muslim baker because of his "antigay beliefs", that is their prerogative. If they demand he make a cake with the image of Muhammed overseeing a gay wedding, it is their right to expect it be made, to command it be made . . . or force the baker to shutter his business.
For the baker it is a sacrilege. For the couple it is a "point to be made". The government is their enabler. Their target is an individual unequal and inferior under the law. The muslim is a lesser citizen than his tormentors.
The eventual extension is for gays to view it as their government-given right to demean, belittle and exclude such lesser citizens.
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There should be no protected classes at all for the private sector. Protected classes should only apply in the public sector when it comes to activities, buildings and professions that are publicly funded with our tax money.
If anything, the only argument I can see for the private sector are the handicapped as those are the truly disadvantaged.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:53 am to Sentrius
Seems like the problem is more with the assholes that push this shite. Unless you wear a sign on your forehead most dimwit clerks and waiters would have no way of determining homo vs hetero. I personally do not belive anyone should be discriminated against but it is beginning to seem that most of the shite is purposefully done to get attention. If people would just go about their business without looking for something to be offended about this whole story would be a non issue. I am begining to hate the gay community just because I am tired of listening to the whinning frickers.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 7:33 am to FooManChoo
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Belief is not something you choose.
Yes it is. Pretty much by definition it is.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 7:35 am to Duke
Y'all don't know what it's like being male, middle class, and white.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 7:36 am to cave canem
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Seems like the problem is more with the assholes that push this shite. Unless you wear a sign on your forehead most dimwit clerks and waiters would have no way of determining homo vs hetero. I personally do not belive anyone should be discriminated against but it is beginning to seem that most of the shite is purposefully done to get attention. If people would just go about their business without looking for something to be offended about this whole story would be a non issue. I am begining to hate the gay community just because I am tired of listening to the whinning frickers.
So basically you're taking the "keep your gayness away from me" stance.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 7:42 am to DCRebel
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Posted by DCRebel Y'all don't know what it's like being male, middle class, and white.
What a jam
Yeah this is some bullshite. This is America for a reason. How can you eve prove someone is gay? What do people in Mississippi think gay dudes walk in the door sucking dick? I mean this is pretty outrageous
Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:44 am to DCRebel
quote:Not at all. Nothing about the definition of faith or belief says that it is a choice.
Yes it is. Pretty much by definition it is.
Here are the first two definitions that pop up from google:
quote:What belief or faith boils down to is trust. You trust that gravity will continue to keep you on the ground. Can you just ignore that at will and believe that at some point during your day, gravity will stop working? It would be an exercise in futility because you know that gravity does what it does and that it won't stop.
1.an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
2.trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.
Ever been cheated on by someone you loved? Can you just "start over" with that person after you find out and trust them with full faith and confidence like you did before? Nope. That trust has to be earned, and it may never be fully restored. Your faith in them has been shattered and you can't just flip a switch and believe they will be loyal and trustworthy because they say they are sorry and it won't happen again.
If you aren't a Christian, can you really and fully accept and believe that Jesus was both man and God and He was born on Earth ~2,000 years ago to keep the law of God perfectly and sacrifice His life so that you could have eternal life? No, you can't, because faith doesn't work that way; you "know" it's a fairy tale written by men who wanted to control the hearts and minds of people in history and so you don't and can't really believe the Bible's claims about Jesus.
If you believe in UFOs, you can't stop believing in them without something outside yourself changing you. If you don't believe in ghosts or the spirit world, you can't just believe in it without something happening to you or to someone else you trust. If you do believe in those things, you can't just turn off that belief.
In summation: you believe what which you believe and you don't believe that which you don't believe. You can't change your beliefs at will any more than you can change who you are in other regards on a whim. You can change how you act or what you say, but what goes on inside you has to be changed, if it will change, by something outside of you.
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 9:47 am to The Spleen
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I fully support a private business's right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. I don't support the government codifying discrimination.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:11 am to FooManChoo
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Not at all. Nothing about the definition of faith or belief says that it is a choice.
Stopped reading there.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. As I see it, the idea of belief implies a choice.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:15 am to DCRebel
quote:Are we supposed to stop reading after we encounter something we don't agree with? Perhaps if you kept reading, you would get where I'm coming from.
Stopped reading there.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. As I see it, the idea of belief implies a choice.
If you put a gun to my head and told me I had to stop believing that Jesus is God, I could not do it, even if I wanted to preserve my own life. Perhaps one of us doesn't quite understand what is involved in faith and belief.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:17 am to GatorReb
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I fully support a private business's right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. I don't support the government codifying discrimination.
I used to feel this way because, in principle, it makes sense.
In practice, however, it's an idea which only cements privilege and inequality.
What if I were to say "well if I were Muslim and I opened a business in Jackson, MS, and said I wouldn't cater to non-Muslims, how would you feel" you'd probably say "well that's your right." You can easily say this knowing that market forces would absolutely obliterate my business. In that circumstance, I don't have the privilege to discriminate and still operate a business.
The impact of that "right" to discriminate is disproportionately beneficial to those already in power, which is entirely against the spirit of civil rights as I see them.
So, again, I agree in principle in that I can see it as a freedom of association argument, but not in practice from an equality standpoint.
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:17 am to FooManChoo
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Are we supposed to stop reading after we encounter something we don't agree with?
I just don't want to get into a semantics argument. It's a waste of time.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 10:19 am to DCRebel
quote:Perhaps. You know that you can't change what you believe about the topic and arguing over what specific words mean is pointless. I agree.
I just don't want to get into a semantics argument. It's a waste of time.
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