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Man kills wife, 22 weeks pregnant, cleaning a loaded firearm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:27 pm
He was a Pa. State Trooper.
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1st.. extremely tragic and I feel for the rest of the family and those kids that will grow up without a mom.
2nd.. teaching proper gun safety in schools, may prevent stupidity like this. There is no excuse for anyone to ever die, in a gun cleaning accident, if this is truly what happened.
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Police released the identity of a pregnant woman accidentally shot to death Friday afternoon in Montgomery County by her husband, a state trooper.
JoAnne Miller, who was 22 weeks pregnant, was taken to Mercy Suburban Hospital with a gunshot wound to the upper body. She died soon after she was admitted. Doctors performed an unsuccessful emergency cesarean. "The baby never had its own breathing or heartbeat," said the Montgomery County coroner, Walter Hofman.
The shooting in the home on the 3000 block of Stony Creek Road in East Norriton occurred around 2:30 p.m. Friday, police said. The officer pulled the trigger while taking apart his .45-caliber handgun for cleaning but did not realize the gun was loaded, police said.
"He's been distraught, cooperative," said Kevin Steele, Montgomery County first assistant district attorney.
An autopsy was performed on the woman and fetus Saturday morning.
The couple's two young children were in the home at the time and were unharmed.
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1st.. extremely tragic and I feel for the rest of the family and those kids that will grow up without a mom.
2nd.. teaching proper gun safety in schools, may prevent stupidity like this. There is no excuse for anyone to ever die, in a gun cleaning accident, if this is truly what happened.
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:30 pm to Alahunter
If he was a cop I assume at some point he was taught proper gun safety
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:31 pm to Alahunter
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He was a Pa. State Trooper
Key word "Was"
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:32 pm to tduecen
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If he was a cop I assume at some point he was taught proper gun safety
NRA classes teach it better than Academies. You practice and qualify, but the safety aspect, is lacking a great deal in many instances.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:33 pm to Alahunter
Using this to cover up a murder.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:34 pm to Alahunter
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You practice and qualify, but the safety aspect, is lacking a great deal in many instances.
This is sadly very true.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:35 pm to Alahunter
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but the intelligence aspect, is lacking a great deal in many instances.
Fixed.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:37 pm to Rebelgator
I'll never forget, when we were doing range training, one guy, the first day, hit the silhouette, maybe 5 times out of 50 shots. From 7 yards. 7 freaking yards. He eventually got good enough to barely qualify. Scary, and you can see why some fire 50 rounds and never hit a suspect. Meanwhile, me and my buddy got our asses chewed for grouping shots in various parts of the body, seeing who could get the best grouping pattern, instead of firing center mass. 
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:39 pm to Alahunter
Damn.
They really pissed me off at the range. Anytime someone messed up with anything including a safety issue they'd just smoke our whole group and never explain who did what wrong or how to fix it.
It was weird going to the second speciality school after basic and getting taught to shoot for the head. I much prefer it though.
They really pissed me off at the range. Anytime someone messed up with anything including a safety issue they'd just smoke our whole group and never explain who did what wrong or how to fix it.
It was weird going to the second speciality school after basic and getting taught to shoot for the head. I much prefer it though.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:41 pm to Rebelgator
That was kinda dumb. Never fixes the problem.
Another range story... during self defense, and disarming someone from a handgun, they loaded cotton rounds in a revolver, and you had to take the weapon from the other trainee, before he could shoot you. We named one guy Cotton. No shite, he got peppered about 20 times before he was successful. When we went to lunch, he lifted his shirt and he looked like he had 20 bee stings where he kept getting nailed.
Another range story... during self defense, and disarming someone from a handgun, they loaded cotton rounds in a revolver, and you had to take the weapon from the other trainee, before he could shoot you. We named one guy Cotton. No shite, he got peppered about 20 times before he was successful. When we went to lunch, he lifted his shirt and he looked like he had 20 bee stings where he kept getting nailed.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:46 pm to Alahunter
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they loaded cotton rounds in a revolver, and you had to take the weapon from the other trainee, before he could shoot you. We named one guy Cotton. No shite, he got peppered about 20 times before he was successful. When we went to lunch, he lifted his shirt and he looked like he had 20 bee stings where he kept getting nailed.
We just had rubber ducks. I got popped in the side of the head during a disarming gone wrong. Those things are hard rubber.
I did hear one story during DT that was interesting.
After a successful disarm you weren't allowed to hand the weapon back to your partner. You had to toss it on the ground. The reasoning behind that was an officer disarmed a suspect with a gun to the back of his head and then proceeded to hand the gun back to the suspect because that's how he did it in training. Not sure I believe that story.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:48 pm to Rebelgator
Another fun moment, was when we had to try to take a weapon away by taking it from their holster. They guy I went against, had an old Safariland holster he had bought 2nd hand. I grabbed hold of it, and as he went to grab my hand and turn into me, I ripped the seam all the way down the front and got the pistol. He got laughed at, and the instructors used his being cheap as a teaching point in buying subpar equipment.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:50 pm to Rebelgator
Yeah.. they used that story in a gun fight, that the guy would stack his spent shells, instead of dropping them and reloading or dropping the mag and continuing.. I get why they wanted to make a point, but I don't believe it either. On the flip side though.. in a high adrenaline moment, you are going to likely do, with the way you train. And if you don't, you have no idea how you'll react in a life/death, threatening scenario.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:51 pm to Alahunter
I hated DT with a passion. The driving track was awesome, but I got in soooo much trouble on the skid pad.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:53 pm to Alahunter
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they used that story in a gun fight, that the guy would stack his spent shells, instead of dropping them and reloading or dropping the mag and continuing..
Yup, California highway patrol story. We got that one too.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:53 pm to Rebelgator
I loved it, but I hated they made us use their ammo. I would rather have spent the money on my own. I got a couple of squib loads, and the stuff they used would foul a pistol up something fierce. There's no sicker feeling, than pulling the trigger, when you know there's a round, and it doesn't fire.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:59 pm to Alahunter
You're a state trooper, you've been carrying a loaded firearm every day for however many years.......how do you forget you've got a round in the chamber?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:00 pm to Alahunter
I was amazed at the people who had no clue how to strip a pistol. One guy was the best shot I've ever seen and couldn't load his own mag. It was baffling.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:04 pm to wadewilson
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You're a state trooper, you've been carrying a loaded firearm every day for however many years.......how do you forget you've got a round in the chamber?
That's why I said, if that's what really happened. That's a pretty shady story. Could be true.. but also could not be true.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:09 pm to Alahunter
Not a lot of info in the story.
I've got 4 guns in my house right now, I can tell you exactly which ones have a round chambered.
I've got 4 guns in my house right now, I can tell you exactly which ones have a round chambered.
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