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Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:49 am to Russvegas Dan
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San Fran
Posted on 9/25/15 at 11:21 am to cave canem
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For over 20 years the federal government has required a picture ID and registration from every licensed dealer in the country for every firearm transaction.
Since 1986, Federal law has forbidden a gun registry and it's been upheld in courts. San Fran is attempting to do just that with their law. The Gov't cannot and does not take or store information from 4473 forms that you fill out at dealers when purchasing a firearm. They are kept on the premises of the FFL dealer.
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WTF are you babbling about?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:19 pm to Russvegas Dan
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Are you against local government?
You support local government in other conversations as well?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 3:55 pm to Russvegas Dan
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Russvegas Dan
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Your not being forced to give any information to the government. Only if you want to buy a gun.
Also if you want to drive a car. But whatever.
You do not have a constitutional right to a car. The 2nd amendment gives citizens the right to own a firearm.
Actually you dont have to have a tag or insurance unless you travel (at any time) on or across a public road. I have a old jeep that has not had a tag in 7 years. It never leaves my farm. If it breaks down I drive my new truck to store and get parts and put them on. It never leaves the property and I have no interest in buying a tag.
What SF has done is in voilation of federal law, but that does not really matter because this administration only enforces laws it wants to. It does not do the proper thing and have congress change the law (because they probably could not get it through congress), they just ignore or add new regulation in ways contrary to existing law.
Examples of this would be this action we are discussing, amnesty, many EPA regulations.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 6:34 pm to Alahunter
Liberals are the worst
Posted on 9/25/15 at 6:42 pm to Jma313
Today San Francisco. Tomm the rest of the US. Enough gun worship
Posted on 9/25/15 at 6:48 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Today San Francisco. Tomm the rest of the US. Enough gun worship
How old are you?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:23 pm to Jma313
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Liberals are the worst
It's a mental disorder. They can't help it.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:39 pm to alphaandomega
1. drive, not own.
2. Car sales tax records could be used to create the list anyway.
3. The administration doesn't enforce laws.
4. You complain about the left trying to use legislation to try to stop something they don't like. I'm sure you were throwing down against all the crazy attempts at blocking Obamacare too.
5. For all the heart bleeding over the second amendment, I guess no one likes the 10th.
2. Car sales tax records could be used to create the list anyway.
3. The administration doesn't enforce laws.
4. You complain about the left trying to use legislation to try to stop something they don't like. I'm sure you were throwing down against all the crazy attempts at blocking Obamacare too.
5. For all the heart bleeding over the second amendment, I guess no one likes the 10th.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:35 pm to Russvegas Dan
What if it snowed in San Francisco?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:45 pm to 504912
Does anyone besides me see the irony that SF doesn't want its citizens to be armed but Kate Steinle was murdered by a non citizen with a government employees firearm?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:52 pm to Alahunter
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Since 1986, Federal law has forbidden a gun registry and it's been upheld in courts.
The above statement just is not factual
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They are kept on the premises of the FFL dealer.
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ATF officials first call the manufacturer, who reveals which wholesaler the company used. That may lead to a call to a second distributor before investigators can pinpoint the retail gun dealer who first sold the weapon. Gun dealers are required to keep a copy of federal forms that detail who buys what gun and a log for guns sold. They are required to share that information with the ATF.
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defacto registry whether the records are stored in the dealer, at the ATF headquarters, or on the moon. The government has access to records of every firearm transaction in the USA already
This is what the government admits to by the way, we all know they would never gather and store any info illegally.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:13 pm to cave canem
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The above statement just is not factual
Yes, it is factual.
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defacto registry whether the records are stored in the dealer, at the ATF headquarters, or on the moon. The government has access to records of every firearm transaction in the USA already
They don't have them in hand, at the discretion of a politician at their whim, such as Obama/Lerner.. if they wanted to single out people. They have to have a reason to request or get a court order for them. I've set up FFL's for folks. When they inspect, it's done on site and only done to make sure that records are complete. They (ATF) don't make photocopies or take the records off site.
What SF is doing is way above and beyond what is allowed by Federal law.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 6:45 am to Alahunter
Posted on 9/26/15 at 6:58 am to Alahunter
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I could not fathom living in a place that would be so intent on stripping away a Constitutional Right.
Maybe the San Fran people have a legitimate fear of the ape uprising and simian flu?
Posted on 9/26/15 at 1:07 pm to Alahunter
Good. This is America. If you don't agree with the majority of that local government, then don't live there.
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Restricting guns within city limits is a practice that has been employed as long a we have been a country.
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Restricting guns within city limits is a practice that has been employed as long a we have been a country.
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Posted on 9/26/15 at 1:26 pm to AUCE05
And it is also a practice that has sparked revolution, rebellion, forcible displacement by the government of civilians, and the slaughter of innocents.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 7:17 pm to Alahunter
I hope violent crimes involving guns increase in San Francisco.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 7:18 pm to AUCE05
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Good. This is America. If you don't agree with the majority of that local government, then don't live there.
So it's okay if a bunch of local governments in the south make gay marriage illegal, right?
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