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re: Is it advocating racism or remembering heritage?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
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defended abortion for 18 hours.
What's sad is that should make her irrelevant.
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:09 pm to BrerTiger
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Baja Oklahoma.
a Dan Jenkins reference one of my favorite authors
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:09 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I can't stand her because she's a borderline celebrity for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
It shows a hypocritical double standard too. She's every bit as ditzy as Sarah Palin but I haven't her one shot at her character from liberals.
It shows a hypocritical double standard too. She's every bit as ditzy as Sarah Palin but I haven't her one shot at her character from liberals.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:10 pm to Carolina Tide
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I'll be amazed if texas ever goes blue.
It will happen sooner than you think. In 20 years, most people in Texas will be from somewhere else, more urbanized and will gain at least a million and a half new citizens via amnesty who most likely will vote D.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:11 pm to BrerTiger
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Actually Texas is Baja Oklahoma.
Almost forgot about that one.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
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When polls show Wendy fricking Davis could potentially get 40+% of the popular vote
That's only because the male voters heard she's easy and was putting out for their votes.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:22 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:31 pm to UMTigerRebel
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What does Tennessee get for giving the country the atomic bomb?
Another big Thank you, ended the goddamn war and just look at all the cool shite we get from Japan these days
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:41 pm to Carolina Tide
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I'll be amazed if texas ever goes blue.
South Carolina and Alabama will go blue before Texas does, and I predict that'll happen precisely 8 months after my 3 way with Stacey Dash and Catfan.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:50 pm to Sleeping Tiger
You are absolutely correct. And I would like to remind our northern friends here, that the LARGEST slave market in the US was located in BRISTOL, RHODE ISLAND. And was run by the de Wolfe family. I know, because I am related to the de Wolfes many generations ago. Every American benefits now from the sad history of slavery - whether or not your ancestors were directly involved in slave trade, owned plantations, etc. Many, many families from the north married into southern plantation families. And many northerners "owned" indentured servants and the like too. Let's agree that it wasn't the height of human behavior. But many peoples throughout history have unfortunately enslaved others. It is going on right now in N Korea.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:51 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Stacey Dash
Lawd have mercy
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:12 am to Sleeping Tiger
The Gadsden Flag is to what you are referring - more relatives :) Christopher Gadsden of SC.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:23 am to genro
Ancestor, yes. Not that unusual if you're from Charleston, to be related to famous ancestors.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:32 am to deltaland
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It isn't like the North outlawed slavery and then the South seceded. It was many other issue involved.
I'd just like to point out that a lot of us have southern heritage that was staunchly pro-Union and pro-abolition. Despite the rest of Tennessee voting for secession on the second vote. East, TN never did and when it was clear the state was going to secede, we tried to secede from the state (more than once).
Both US Sen. Andrew Johnson and US Rep. Horace Maynard refused to resign after the rest of the state voted to secede. Instead they stayed in congress and supported the Union cause. They lobbied President Lincoln to make the Liberation of E. TN a priority and as a result Lincoln made Liberating us a priority. The confederate state government had sent troops into E. TN after they lost the first vote - their goal was to suppress turnout for the 2nd vote by intimidating East, TN voters and allowing the pro-confederate Middle and West TN to have their way (East, TN still voted overwhelmingly against the confederacy and for the Union but the suppression of voter turnout mattered as fewer voters in the East meant Middle and West TN could muster more voters overall). Governor Isham Harris ordered the occupation the moment that 1st secession vote failed for the sole purpose of forcing TN to seceded and join the confederacy. However, those confederate troops never left East, Tennessee and were basically an occupying force from that point forward. Orders were issued to shoot any man or woman on sight if they were traveling Northward to Kentucky (MANY people died just to cross that border) yet East Tennesseans were undeterred and went to Kentucky in droves because it was the only way we could fight for the Union.
When Knoxville was liberated by Union forces this is what General Ambrose Burnside wrote in a letter to his wife:
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“I wish you could see the delight of the people — such loyalty to the Union I have never seen in my life before. We don’t know at the North what loyalty means.”
Not only did we throw a party for Burnside and his men but we begged to be allowed to join the Union Army and fight.
Prior to the Civil War, Elihu Embree started the first paper in the US dedicated to abolition. His paper, The Emancipator, which was dedicated solely to the anti-slavery cause had the largest circulation of any newspaper in either TN or KY despite being an anti-slavery paper.
IOW, the South is NOT the Civil War nor is it the Confederacy. It's also not just made up of wealthy/planter class white males whose interests were fought for during that war. Plenty of people who don't fit the stereotypical plantation society white male role were and are Southern, including po' whites, women, and people of color.
That flag is the opposite of my heritage (and countless others) and I'm as southern as anyone else.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 1:45 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 6:04 am to reggierayreb
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Less than 5% of Southerners owned slaves in 1861.. Stop regurgitating the shite your Social Studies teacher/Football coach taught you.
Yes, but those 5% were the ones with all of the political power. They were the ones in charge, and they were the ones whose interests the CSA was designed to serve.
Here's a snippet of section 2 of Alabama's ordinance of secession:
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And as it is the desire and purpose of the people of Alabama to meet the slaveholding States of the South, who may approve such purpose, in order to frame a provisional as well as permanent Government upon the principles of the Constitution of the United States,
And an excerpt from Texas' ordinance:
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WHEREAS, The recent developments in Federal affairs make it evident that the power of the Federal Government is sought to be made a weapon with which to strike down the interests and property of the people of Texas, and her sister slave-holding States, instead of permitting it to be, as was intended, our shield against outrage and aggression
And Virginia's...
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the Federal Government having perverted said powers not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States
And, for good measure, here's Article IV, Section 3 of the Confederate Constitution:
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(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.
So when someone suggests that the entire purpose of the CSA was to maintain the institution of slavery, the evidence is on their side.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 6:08 am to DynastyDawg
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Unless your "ancestors" came here after after 1865 they where involved in it, one way or the other.
Even then, they could still have benefitted from the social institutions of Jim Crow, for example.
My mom's family immigrated from Germany to Texas after the Civil War, but, being whites, they got to reap the benefits of a segregated society. My mom even remembers separate drinking fountains and bathrooms in Dallas.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 6:11 am to DCRebel
Holy shite this thread blew up.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:34 am to parkjas2001
So, in putting up a thread asking and calling something racist is a racist act in itself. So congrats on being a racist. 
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