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re: Interesting NY Times article on University of Alabama and USCe
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:30 am to scrooster
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:30 am to scrooster
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3 - It teaches yankee kids that all the negative bull shite they've heard their entire lives about the south, is just that, negative bull shite
This plus those kids showing up with fresh minds and rejecting some of the traditionally accepted stuff going on on campus that lots of people disagree with but nobody ever challenged.
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:40 am to TeLeFaWx
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You're not leveraging the increased enrollment to strengthen your state, you're strengthening others.
I think net/net it will benefit the state over the long term.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:45 am to TeLeFaWx
Are you serious everyone or each university has it flaws and strengths. Whether it from a geological location or programs they offer. Growing the area they are in is key to attracting talent and resources. Huntsville is a Engineering and Technology Hub. Mobile has become Aviation/Welding/Manufacturer Hub rapidly with the addition of Airbus and part suppliers. Also the local high schools are offering Aviation courses now. Birmingham is not slouch either they finally turned things around. Alabama as a state the future is bright regardless of our corrupt politicians. You guys are stupid as hell if you think Alabama is all about Football.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:46 am to TxTiger82
Most kids even if from Alabama will likely find jobs in Atlanta, Nashville, Houston and so on. That's where the job growth is. That's not the Universities fault.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:47 am to SmokeTide
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geological location
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:49 am to LG2BAMA
Population growth of Georgia is insane.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:57 am to LG2BAMA
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Most kids even if from Alabama will likely find jobs in Atlanta, Nashville, Houston and so on. That's where the job growth is.
People are going to naturally gravitate to where the jobs are.....there are many other factors that dictate where economic growth takes place in and out of the State of Alabama.
It would be like saying it's dumb for the University of Michigan to be a top tier institution because their graduates don't stay in Michigan.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:59 am to 14&Counting
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People are going to naturally gravitate to where the jobs are.....there are many other factors that dictate where economic growth takes place in and out of the State of Alabama. It would be like saying it's dumb for the University of Michigan to be a top tier institution because their graduates don't stay in Michigan.
Yea - kids have been migrating to Atlanta and whatever the other hot location in the South is at the time (Nashville/New Orleans/etc) for decades. Auburn sends tons of kids to Metro Atlanta, always have (a lot of them are originally from there, as well). What happens is Atlanta has a massive Auburn Alumni base that represents Auburn everywhere they go and spurns more kids to go to Auburn. Not much downside there to me.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:09 am to TxTiger82
I understand what your saying but I imagine if these top notch students never come to UA then how would the state ever have a chance to retain them in the first place. Even if most out of state graduates leave, they still create a huge footprint academically across the country, elevating our perception in academia and increasing donations. I can't think of any way our strategy is not winning.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:11 am to 14&Counting
LSU needs to take note. All the southern public universities that are worth a damn have went or are going this route .
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:13 am to stat19
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I'm against open border enrollment.
Build a wall, Build a wall, Build a wall,!!!!
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:25 am to Ramblin Wreck
I think a lot of Southern universities are starting to recruit students from out of state more heavily. The University of Arkansas is growing like a weed and a lot of that has to do with us bringing in a ton of students from across Texas.
SEC schools tend to offer a good ROI as far as tuition and they've been upgrading their academics and facilities as well. The last few times I tried to walk across the Arkansas campus it was like trying to get through a maze with all the construction going on.
SEC schools tend to offer a good ROI as far as tuition and they've been upgrading their academics and facilities as well. The last few times I tried to walk across the Arkansas campus it was like trying to get through a maze with all the construction going on.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:51 am to Arksulli
Somewhat ridiculous IMO for Auburn and Alabama to have more out of state students. Alabama in particular with 35k plus is absurd. I understand the goal but it is not practical in the state or region for Alabama of all schools (noted more for graduate programs than undergrad) to make this a priority. This does not help the state at all as what it does is pit the big in state schools (who all offer different areas of excellence) to conform to a broad variety of disciplines to compete for the undergrads. Example, Auburn has a great engineering school. In no way does our state need to be funneling money to other schools to create engineering programs because AU has a nationally ranked school but that is what they did with U of A. How does that help our state? Why would you want competing schools. That would be like AU requesting money to start a law school. Why? This is no different with the rapid growth of Alabama'state student population. It is unnecessary competition in a state that a).has no need for it b).will be left in the cold once grads leave to bigger metro areas. Not just bashing Bama either, AU did the same thing in the 90s and will most likely do it again.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:00 am to TxTiger82
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So much money coming in from the outside. New condos, shops, restaurants are going up monthly.
Place will be a ghost town when Saban leaves for NFL.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:09 am to TIGERSPIKE
First of all Auburn is not a state school so I imagine they do compete with each other. Also look at LSU, your athletic program receives more donations to athletics than academics, then your state takes part of you athletics revenue. This is very unstable and unattainable for any program. You old school people are getting left living in the past.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:18 am to mikeb0870
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First of all Auburn is not a state school so I imagine they do compete with each other.
What?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:21 am to TIGERSPIKE
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Example, Auburn has a great engineering school. In no way does our state need to be funneling money to other schools to create engineering programs because AU has a nationally ranked school but that is what they did with U of A.
Alabama's engineering college is older than Auburn's.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:31 am to Ramblin Wreck
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Money Shot: Alabama has invested heavily to lure students like Ms. Zavilowitz, who does not qualify for federal financial aid. The university is spending $100.6 million in merit aid, up from $8.3 million a decade ago and more than twice what it allocates to students with financial need.
Basically Alabama is buying smart students (it is working). In the academic community there is discussion about the merits of such an approach but it is the strategy that Alabama has taken. Of course there are advantages and disadvantages over fast growth. Many believe (I am one) that there is an education bubble and that this growth contains some risks as Alabama is highly leveraged with regards to buildings, faculty, etc. to maintain that growth. (NOTE: Alabama is not alone).
If the bubble pops, look for taxpayers to foot the bill.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:37 am to allin2010
What exactly IS an education bubble?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:08 am to WRhodesTider
Should have clarified regarding engineering schools. Money has alocated to U of A to build a new facility to directly compete with Auburn's new facility from 2006. That is counter productive to our state as Alabama's engineering school in no way can compete with AU's and frankly does not need to. Money should have been used in another way.
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