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re: Interesting NY Times article on University of Alabama and USCe

Posted on 11/8/16 at 7:32 am to
Posted by jlc05
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 7:32 am to
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LSU, meanwhile, is taking the opposite approach. SAD.


LSU was doing the same a few yrs ago. I helped get LSU materials to my daughter's high school in Bethesda, MD.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 7:35 am
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 7:32 am to
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You also have to expand your facilities to accommodate the influx of bodies, which could bite you if your enrollment dips.


Absolutely, and you can see that unfolding on UA's campus right now. Hopefully those investments will pay off.
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 7:37 am to
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You also have to expand your facilities to accommodate the influx of bodies, which could bite you if your enrollment dips. Stanford, etc keeps enrollment down, and they have excess funds for research, etc. The problem with us is both state schools have tiny endowments, which puts us behind the curve.


This is true, but I think the line of thought is that once enrollment reaches its saturation point in the next 5-10 years, you can start being increasingly selective, as the demand will even further outpace the allowable supply of incoming students.
Posted by bama1959
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2008
4558 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 7:45 am to
We need to slow the hell down. We've grown to damn fast. My kid can't the classes he needs and the ones he did get has 250-300 students.
And it takes a month to see his advisor. Need to drop about 7,000 yankees. I'm a double grad if you are wondering eng/mba. We had 17,000 when I went. They had 19,000 10 years ago. Now 37k. Its crazy.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 7:46 am
Posted by BugaPainTrain7
Oxford, MS
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 7:46 am to
It's insane how many out of staters there are at Alabama
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 7:47 am to
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This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 7:48 am
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 7:47 am to
The only classes you'll ever have with 250-300 students are level 100 classes. My biggest class this year is MC 401 with 60 students. The rest of my classes have at least 25-30.

I have no trouble seeing my advisor. It may take him a day or two to respond, but that's expected because he teaches throughout the day.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 7:48 am
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
10368 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 7:52 am to
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We need to slow the hell down. We've grown to damn fast. My kid can't the classes he needs and the ones he did get has 250-300 students.
And it takes a month to see his advisor. Need to drop about 7,000 yankees. I'm a double grad if you are wondering eng/mba. We had 17,000 when I went. They had 19,000 10 years ago. Now 37k. Its crazy.


If we're successful in becoming a regional version of Michigan or UT-Austin, the increased value of our degrees will be worth the growing pains, IMO. Obviously there are downsides to rapid growth, some of which you point out above, but I don't think they outweigh the positives.
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 7:56 am to
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It's insane how many out of staters there are at Alabama


At least two from Maryland.

Don't know if already mentioned but Fall semester last year there were pretty substantial network issues as the IT infrastructure had not kept up with the growth. From my understanding it was corrected pretty quickly.
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
59525 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:02 am to
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Ole Miss is mostly out of state as well and has been for a few years I believe.

Ole miss is high but I think Mississippians make up about 60-65% still.
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:05 am to
60% according to website
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:09 am to
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I think they have maintained the same actual number of Alabamians, total enrollment has dramatically increased


Is the population of Alabama increasing?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:12 am to
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My kid can't the classes he needs and the ones he did get has 250-300 students.
And it takes a month to see his advisor

Your kid isn't trying that hard.
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:14 am to
Not really. The gradual growth is almost undetectable. Hopefully that starts to change soon.
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:15 am to
Dang p, don't out the kid, he's enjoying campus life.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:19 am to
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Not really. The gradual growth is almost undetectable. Hopefully that starts to change soon.



Well that's where it seems sort of dumb to keep taking out of state kids, since they'll probably leave the state once they've graduated. You're not leveraging the increased enrollment to strengthen your state, you're strengthening others.
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:20 am to
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Just means more money rom out of state tuition.


It also means the culture is diminished to a degree ...slightly, slightly, slightly. Then its changed forever.

I'm against open border enrollment.
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:22 am to
There is another post from earlier that addresses a possible strategy.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:27 am to
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Ole miss is high but I think Mississippians make up about 60-65% still.



Hmm, when I was there I thought one of the numbers was like 53% OOS.

Maybe I'm wrong.
Posted by TailbackU
ATL
Member since Oct 2005
11103 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:30 am to
More dollars flowing to the REC
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