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re: Having a debate with my friend, figured I'd bring up the topic to the SECr OT
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:43 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:43 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Semo, I wasn't trying to insinuate anything. I was just keeping the discussion going. I assume any reasonable person is horrified by child rape.
And CtotheV we have pretty identical backgrounds. My brother's killer was never arrested, until later on for another murder.
And CtotheV we have pretty identical backgrounds. My brother's killer was never arrested, until later on for another murder.
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Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:00 pm to cas4t
It's all cool! I think it's terrible when LEO knows who committed a crime and can't get the evidence to put them away. That just sucks for the families.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:14 pm to diddydirtyAubie
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diddydirtyAubie
so is this whole 'eye for an eye' thing another case of it-means-what-you-want-it-to-mean or is everything somehow contradictory AND accurate all at once?
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And you shall eat it as barley cakes, and you shall bake it with dung that comes out of man, in their sight.
For instance, I choose not to keep up with a public dung eating quota.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:15 pm to cas4t
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How is it different with a child and any loved one?
Sorry for the delay, I would be beyond angry if any loved one had something like this happen to them. However, if it was a defenseless child submitted to a rape, there is almost nothing worse in my eyes. Especially if it was mine. I would be like Samuel L. Jackson in A Time to Kill
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:51 pm to cas4t
Criminals that make the choice to commit violent crimes don't usually just commit one and they're done with that lifestyle. They do numerous crimes, over and over again until they finally get caught.
Prison isn't going to change them or turn them into law abiding citizens. Why do we punish ourselves by having to foot the bill to give hardened violent criminals a free ride for however long their sentences are. RogertheShrubber has a great line that I agree with, in cases where it's clear cut, no chance for them to be innocent, have a slam dunk case or a non-coerced confession it should be "from the attorney to the gurney" Just erase them and be done with it. Nothing will change their evils. Repenting is crock, I don't believe in a God, repenting one's crime is just another manipulation and hustle of the weak. Ever wonder why so many find Jesus or Allah in prison?
Prison isn't going to change them or turn them into law abiding citizens. Why do we punish ourselves by having to foot the bill to give hardened violent criminals a free ride for however long their sentences are. RogertheShrubber has a great line that I agree with, in cases where it's clear cut, no chance for them to be innocent, have a slam dunk case or a non-coerced confession it should be "from the attorney to the gurney" Just erase them and be done with it. Nothing will change their evils. Repenting is crock, I don't believe in a God, repenting one's crime is just another manipulation and hustle of the weak. Ever wonder why so many find Jesus or Allah in prison?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:52 pm to UMTigerRebel
quote:I don't blame you.
I have 2 daughters. I would murder that rapist bastard in a second.
But whether something is right - and whether or not you or I would do it - are not necessarily the same thing.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:57 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Yes he should kill you
Wait what now?
Wait what now?
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:33 am to CtotheVrzrbck
Another problem is the number of people who are convicted and later found to be innocent. I realize it's a small number, but I'd rather let 100 guilty criminals rot in prison than execute 1 innocent person. That scares me a little.
And yes, like Genro said - thinking and doing are two different things completely.
And yes, like Genro said - thinking and doing are two different things completely.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:41 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
If it was a crime of passion then I'll let the justice system (no matter how corrupt) handle it, but if it was a calculated or cold blooded killing then they better run fast and far. As for any true rapist killing is to good for them daily humiliation and pain is what they deserve.
ETA: crimes against children fall into a whole other category there is absolutely no justification for these and the perpetrators should be beaten severely then hung
ETA: crimes against children fall into a whole other category there is absolutely no justification for these and the perpetrators should be beaten severely then hung
This post was edited on 3/14/13 at 1:18 am
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:49 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Eye for an eye, save for death or harm of an innocent party, is probably the lowest I'd stoop to as punishment other than prison time.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:57 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I don't think murder is objectively wrong, but we have a justice system for a reason and should try to use it rather than take matters into our own hands.
One example where it's okay to try to murder someone is Mace Windu trying to kill the emperor in Star Wars. Palpatine owned the senate. He was too powerful to be left alive because there's no way he would be tried fairly in court.
That's an extreme example though. In general, who are we to make the decision of who lives and who dies? One of the primary lessons from "Crime and Punishment" is that utilitarianism shouldn't be used as a justification for murder.
One example where it's okay to try to murder someone is Mace Windu trying to kill the emperor in Star Wars. Palpatine owned the senate. He was too powerful to be left alive because there's no way he would be tried fairly in court.
That's an extreme example though. In general, who are we to make the decision of who lives and who dies? One of the primary lessons from "Crime and Punishment" is that utilitarianism shouldn't be used as a justification for murder.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 5:57 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I think the death penalty is okay as punishment for murder.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 6:06 am to Bama Bird
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but I interpret that as referring only to Liberty and Property.
Based on what? Personal feelings?
Posted on 3/14/13 at 6:19 am to Russvegas Dan
Scripture affirms the role of government in capital punishment. However it speaks of believers forgiving. In other words, we don't personally carry out the punishment but the authorities can.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 6:47 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Usually I say it's not but the guy that shot the karate instructor child molester at the Baton Rouge airport years ago, I was all for. Depends.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 7:12 am to nc14
I say we kick up the death penalty a few notches and bring back public hangings. Long rope with drop is one of the quickest ways to die, its cheap, and people would be less likely to commit murder/rape if they knew that hanging was possible punishment. Do it quarterly and at big venues and sell tickets for it so that the money from the tickets can be pumped back into the local governments.
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Posted on 3/14/13 at 7:17 am to mwlewis
As long as we start at the top and work our way down.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 7:19 am to plutonium55
It baffles me how death by electricution was considered more "humane" than hanging.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 7:21 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
your friend is closer to correct than you.
no sense in executing a guy for some theivery, but I agree with an eye for an eye mentality.
no sense in executing a guy for some theivery, but I agree with an eye for an eye mentality.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 7:43 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Write your own damn paper.
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