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re: Crusaders vs. ISIS. Are they comparable?
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:05 am to KSGamecock
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:05 am to KSGamecock
I think the point that the President was trying to make was that sometimes people do terrible things in the name of religion. The Crusades and ISIS are obviously not the same, but they both used religion as a crutch for their purpose.
The media covers acts of terrorism in a differing light based upon religion. The Charlie Hebdo terrorist happened to be a muslim, and was labelled a terrorist. The murders in Chapel Hill were by an atheist, and labelled as a crazy person. The Norway Massacre was by a Christian and was labelled as a crazy individual, not a religious terrorist.
Less than 10% of "terrorist acts" are carried out by Muslims.
Terrorist Religion
The media covers acts of terrorism in a differing light based upon religion. The Charlie Hebdo terrorist happened to be a muslim, and was labelled a terrorist. The murders in Chapel Hill were by an atheist, and labelled as a crazy person. The Norway Massacre was by a Christian and was labelled as a crazy individual, not a religious terrorist.
Less than 10% of "terrorist acts" are carried out by Muslims.
Terrorist Religion
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Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:13 am to 5thTiger
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Less than 10% of "terrorist acts" are carried out by Muslims.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:16 am to Vols&Shaft83
"An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims."
https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#terror_05sum
https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#terror_05sum
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:16 am to KSGamecock
I also feel Mr. President dosent fully understand the crusades
Eta- I also don't understand what this statement help in our war on terror. Why is he attacking Christianity?
Eta- I also don't understand what this statement help in our war on terror. Why is he attacking Christianity?
This post was edited on 2/20/15 at 9:22 am
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:21 am to BuddyLAM
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I also feel Mr. President dosent fully understand the crusades
He also said inquisitions which was a bloody purification by the church on it's own people. Sounds like exactly what ISIS is doing now.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:24 am to Person of interest
They are doing it for different reason and yes the inquisitors did do some very bad thing but it was triggered in defense the original idea I believe was good but it went south after that
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:32 am to BuddyLAM
Why are you attacking punctuation?
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:34 am to BuddyLAM
The inquisition was started to prevent any deviation from Roman Catholic dogma (heretics).
"The Inquisition is[1] a group of institutions within the judicial system of the Roman Catholic Church whose aim is to combat heresy. It started in 12th-century France to combat religious sectarianism, in particular the Cathars and the Waldensians. Other groups which were investigated later include the Spiritual Franciscans, the Hussites (followers of Jan Hus) and Beguines. Beginning in the 1250s, inquisitors were generally chosen from members of the Dominican Order, to replace the earlier practice of using local clergy as judges.[2] The term Medieval Inquisition covers these courts up through the 14th century."
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"The Inquisition is[1] a group of institutions within the judicial system of the Roman Catholic Church whose aim is to combat heresy. It started in 12th-century France to combat religious sectarianism, in particular the Cathars and the Waldensians. Other groups which were investigated later include the Spiritual Franciscans, the Hussites (followers of Jan Hus) and Beguines. Beginning in the 1250s, inquisitors were generally chosen from members of the Dominican Order, to replace the earlier practice of using local clergy as judges.[2] The term Medieval Inquisition covers these courts up through the 14th century."
LINK
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:56 am to 5thTiger
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The Norway Massacre was by a Christian
I'll allow it because he labeled himself a Christian. He certainly was a theologian unto himself and had an idea of Christianity which was far more about Western culture than about the religious tenets of Christianity. He talked about the "Christian-atheist" which made sense to him. A person who affirmed some sort of Christian culture but did not believe in God.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:03 am to the808bass
I believe given the right circumstances large groups of people can be led to do horrible things. Nationalism and religion are two good ways to sway the masses, ideology and group think are dangerous.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:10 am to the808bass
I think people see Christianity as a religion that is impossible to be criticized.
I was simply making the point that since the Norway murderer claimed to be a Christian, many people backed off the fact that he was a terrorist, and rather just a crazy person.
We need to stop worrying about the religion of terrorists, and simply concentrate on stopping terrible acts of hatred.
A religion should not define you as a person.
Many of the KKK members were Christians.
Oklahoma City Bombers were Christians
Hold an individual accountable, not their religion.
I was simply making the point that since the Norway murderer claimed to be a Christian, many people backed off the fact that he was a terrorist, and rather just a crazy person.
We need to stop worrying about the religion of terrorists, and simply concentrate on stopping terrible acts of hatred.
A religion should not define you as a person.
Many of the KKK members were Christians.
Oklahoma City Bombers were Christians
Hold an individual accountable, not their religion.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:12 am to KSGamecock
Here's the crux of this debate:
Crusades were in 1099
ISIS is now
Crusades were in 1099
ISIS is now
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:15 am to KSGamecock
Comparing the Crusades to ISIS: tu quoque.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:15 am to Wtodd
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Here's the crux of this debate:
Crusades were in 1099
ISIS is now
Get out of here with your logic and common sense.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:39 am to Vols&Shaft83
In fairness, there's little difference in the Levant between 1099 and 2015.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 10:59 am to BuddyLAM
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On a phone with little time sorry
Eta- some of these heresies were crazy cults for example
Catharism
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Interesting read. They were ""good fellows"
"In Cathar texts, the terms "Good Men" (Bons Hommes) or "Good Christians" are the common terms of self-identification.[7]"
Posted on 2/20/15 at 11:01 am to Wtodd
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Here's the crux of this debate:
Crusades were in 1099
ISIS is now
But the Inquisition was in the 1200 and 1300's.
Much closer to now right?
Posted on 2/20/15 at 11:02 am to 5thTiger
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Oklahoma City Bombers were Christians
no they weren't. they were white supremacists.
but continue on with that merry trope.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 11:09 am to hogminer
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But the Inquisition was in the 1200 and 1300's.
Much closer to now right?
There was an inquisition in Peru that lasted till 1820.
The Peruvian Inquisition was established on January 9, 1570 and ended in 1820.[1] The Holy Office and tribunal of the Peruvian Inquisition were located in Lima, Peru.
Unlike the Spanish Inquisition and the Medieval Inquisition, in the Peruvian Inquisition both the state and church were dependent of the Crown’s approval to carry out jurisdiction.
Although the Indigenous people were originally subject to the jurisdiction of the inquisitors, they were eventually removed from the control and not seen as fully responsible for deviation from faith. They were still subject to trial and punishment by the Episcopal inquisition.[2] In the eyes of the church the Indigenous were seen as gente sin razón, individuals without reason.
As a result their trials were separate from other inquisition cases. In spite of that, it still did not stop other people that were of non-Indigenous descent from being accused of other crimes that were against the Church. These crimes could range from heresy, sorcery, witchcraft, and other superstitious practices.
People accused of these crimes were generally individuals who came from a lower status of Peruvian society. Among them were individuals of African descent, mestizos, women, and Jewish or Protestant Europeans seeking refuge from religious persecution.
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