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re: "Christians didn't invent marriage. Why do they think they can define it."
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:18 pm to Duke
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:18 pm to Duke
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because if it's punishment for acting their religious beliefs it won't fly.
It shouldn't fly, and I agree it probably wouldn't fly, but I don't put anything past the federal Leviathan anymore.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:20 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Revoking the tax exempt status of every church in America would go over about as well as trying to take our guns would.
It just wont happen, because its one of the few things Americans would resort to open rebellion over.
It just wont happen, because its one of the few things Americans would resort to open rebellion over.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:20 pm to Vols&Shaft83
The Establishment Clause is one of those sacred cows. They can rob you blind and we're cool but don't frick with free speech, religions, or guns (recent development).
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:40 pm to sorantable
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sorantable
You're right Christians didn't invent marriage. God did. And he clearly defines it as a union of one man and one woman. It is a sacred relationship that represents Christ and the church. That's why it is not ok to redefine it. That's why Christians fight this battle.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:42 pm to CJM18
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You're right Christians didn't invent marriage. God did.
But who invented God?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:26 pm to Roger Klarvin
I am one of those right wing Christians. I believe marriage should be between one man and one woman. That having been said God grants us free will. If the states decide to allow gay marriage then have at it. But if there are consequences,well,you are responsible for your own actions.
Have at it boys and boys. Or girls and girls. The church should be free to oppose it, if they so choose,and should not be forced to condone nor to perform said ceremonies.
A segment of the gay community has become very militant,wishing to destroy those that oppose their agenda. There have been several examples of people losing their jobs over such lately. This should and must be opposed by good people whether they are religious or not. Gestapo like tactics such as these set a dangerous precedent and are an out and out menace to our rights and freedoms.
Have at it boys and boys. Or girls and girls. The church should be free to oppose it, if they so choose,and should not be forced to condone nor to perform said ceremonies.
A segment of the gay community has become very militant,wishing to destroy those that oppose their agenda. There have been several examples of people losing their jobs over such lately. This should and must be opposed by good people whether they are religious or not. Gestapo like tactics such as these set a dangerous precedent and are an out and out menace to our rights and freedoms.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:56 pm to CJM18
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You're right Christians didn't invent marriage. God did. And he clearly defines it as a union of one man and one woman. It is a sacred relationship that represents Christ and the church. That's why it is not ok to redefine it. That's why Christians fight this battle.
Do same-sex couples not reflect this same love?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:56 pm to sorantable
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:57 pm to antibarner
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A segment of the Christian community has become very militant,wishing to destroy those that oppose their agenda. There have been several examples of people losing their jobs over such lately. This should and must be opposed by good people whether they are religious or not. Gestapo like tactics such as these set a dangerous precedent and are an out and out menace to our rights and freedoms.
FIFY
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:58 pm to Roger Klarvin
I'm going to marry one of my friends for tax purposes, whenever it becomes legal.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:31 am to The Spleen
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Nobody seemed to have a problem with government's involvement in marriage for 80+ years so long as gays couldn't marry, but as soon as they start realizing gay marriage is about to become a reality, we need to get government out of marriage.
Yeah, the left never does this.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:34 am to Miz Piggy
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Exactly. And this SCOTUS in particular would never allow it.
SCOTUS doesn't give two shits about the Constitution. And they will care even less than that in 3 or 4 decades.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:37 am to sorantable
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Do same-sex couples not reflect this same love?
This is an interesting question. Theologically, I'd answer this question with a "no."
Legally, I think that the same options for coupling have to be available for gay and straight couples.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:43 am to the808bass
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Theologically, I'd answer this question with a "no."
Just do not understand this line of thinking. It's really dehumanizing, telling two gay people that their love just isn't as "good" as that of a straight couple.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:49 am to Roger Klarvin
Then how do we tell siblings they cannot marry? Or some pet owner? Is their love no less than a gay couple? Or three or more people?
Pandora's Box is yawning wide open.
Pandora's Box is yawning wide open.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 12:52 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:51 am to antibarner
And sorantable how about some examples. I can cite Mozilla right now as an example of the Gay Gestapo destroying a man's career.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:55 am to antibarner
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Then how do we tell siblings they cannot marry?
Any two consenting adults should have the right to marry. If you want to frick your sister, be my guest. There isn't a big market for incestuous marriage in this country though so it's a red herring anyway.
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Or some pet owner?
Pets aren't capable of consenting to marriage.
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Is their love no less that a gay couple?
In the case of a brother and sister, in theory sure. In the case of a pet no because that "love" isnt mutual obviously.
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Or three or more people?
Should be perfectly legal.
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Pandora's Box is yawning wide open.
They said the same thing about interracial marriage 60 years ago, and just like interracial marriage we will drag those who oppose it kicking and screaming across the precipice for the betterment of our society. One day everyone will look back on the homosexual marriage debate just like we look back on the interracial marriage debate.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 1:02 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:15 am to Roger Klarvin
So let's just let anyone do anything..You can feel that is bettering our society but excuse me if I oppose you.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:15 am to Roger Klarvin
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Just do not understand this line of thinking. It's really dehumanizing, telling two gay people that their love just isn't as "good" as that of a straight couple.
Meh. We're too sensitive. If people don't like my theology I don't feel dehumanized. Not sure why they should care about my theological opinion of them in some emotional way.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:17 am to Roger Klarvin
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They said the same thing about interracial marriage 60 years ago, and just like interracial marriage we will drag those who oppose it kicking and screaming across the precipice for the betterment of our society.
quote:-Chesterton
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