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re: California schools could be banned if Bill passes
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:44 pm to coachcrisp
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:44 pm to coachcrisp
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you've just destroyed the competitive aspect of sports when you do that.
I watch it succeed almost every week of the year.
quote:You don't watch it succeed under the conditions that you're talking about.
Sure I do. How is soccer not succeeding in Europe?
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:09 pm to pvilleguru
We're not in Europe....two different cultures. It's practically impossible to compare American collegiate football to European soccer, especially the way football is looked upon in the Southeast.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:17 pm to coachcrisp
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You're missing the point. College football as we know it, would cease to exist. It would become a convoluted version of the NFL with kids jumping around to different teams, an entirely new bureaucracy to handle its affairs, outside forces entering the picture to get a piece of the "pie", etc....get the picture?
I'm telling you, once legal money enters the picture of amateur sport, like cancer, it'll kill it.
As long as they play for the University of South Carolina i wouldn’t care
We’ve been a college football team for over a hundred years and have won one conference title and haven’t sniffed a national title
I don’t foresee us winning a title in my life time
But I’m still going to watch every single game
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:18 pm to coachcrisp
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Your political ideology evidently bleeds over into your sports, and the end result would be the "Chicago" of college athletics.
Isn’t a draft socialism?
Everyone gets a fair shot at picks?
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:33 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Are you looking at it from the individual's perspective or the sport's? In order for the sport to survive, there needs to be parity of talent. If there are just a couple of "rich" teams who can afford to outbid the rest, how long do you believe the sport will last?....then when the league folds, NOBODY gets paid.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:45 pm to coachcrisp
quote:Of course the NCAA is gonna say that when they bringing in records profits every year. Why they frick would they want some thugs(aka the student athletes) to get a cut of that pie?
The NCAA is right. If/when they "crack the door" on amateur compensation you can kiss amateurism goodbye.
In 2017 they passed 1 billion in revenues. It is only going up and having to split that up is not in their best interest. LINK
They need to quit using the education as payment as that shite is retarded.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:00 pm to dawgsjw
"The NCAA pulled in more than $1 billion in revenue for the first time in history during the 2016-17 school year.
The $1.06 billion in revenue from September 2016 through August 2017 is reported in audited financials the organization released on Wednesday.
The majority of the revenue came from its usual source -- the NCAA men's basketball tournament. The NCAA pulled in $761 million from the 2017 NCAA tournament. That number is set to rise to $869 million this year.
The NCAA also generated $129.4 million in ticket revenue and $60 million in marketing rights for the 2017 fiscal year.
The NCAA's expenses were $956 million. The largest chunk of that spending went to dispersing $560.3 million back to its roughly 1,100 member institutions in 24 sports in all three divisions, as well as $200 million for a one-time payment the NCAA made to schools to fund additional programs. Another $160.5 million went to the Division I performance fund, which awards conferences based on how many teams play in the NCAA tournament and how far they advance. Units are paid out over six years. The NCAA also recorded a $209 million settlement related to those past athletes who argued the value of their scholarships was illegally capped. A $70 million concussion testing and diagnosis settlement also hangs in the balance. The organization noted that it is still negotiating with its insurance carriers.
That's where the money went.
The $1.06 billion in revenue from September 2016 through August 2017 is reported in audited financials the organization released on Wednesday.
The majority of the revenue came from its usual source -- the NCAA men's basketball tournament. The NCAA pulled in $761 million from the 2017 NCAA tournament. That number is set to rise to $869 million this year.
The NCAA also generated $129.4 million in ticket revenue and $60 million in marketing rights for the 2017 fiscal year.
The NCAA's expenses were $956 million. The largest chunk of that spending went to dispersing $560.3 million back to its roughly 1,100 member institutions in 24 sports in all three divisions, as well as $200 million for a one-time payment the NCAA made to schools to fund additional programs. Another $160.5 million went to the Division I performance fund, which awards conferences based on how many teams play in the NCAA tournament and how far they advance. Units are paid out over six years. The NCAA also recorded a $209 million settlement related to those past athletes who argued the value of their scholarships was illegally capped. A $70 million concussion testing and diagnosis settlement also hangs in the balance. The organization noted that it is still negotiating with its insurance carriers.
That's where the money went.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:01 pm to coachcrisp
quote:Sure it is. Funny how they can make $60 million in a year for marketing rights, but the student athletes can only get paid in classes. What a joke.
That's where the money went.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:31 pm to dawgsjw
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Sure it is. Funny how they can make $60 million in a year for marketing rights, but the student athletes can only get paid in classes. What a joke.
There's this idea that if we start paying athletes, then schools will definitely pay them sufficient money to make it worth their while. This is not what is going to happen by the NCAA or any given school.
A "full-ride" scholarship at Florida includes housing, food, millions of dollars worth of coaching (how much do you think it would cost you to pay Dan Mullen to teach you one on one to be a Quarterback?), connections to the NFL, facilities, I mean the list goes on and on. College athletes are paid in fricking spades, literally millions of dollars + a scholarship -- a college education these days is still a very good thing to have provided that you select a field that requires a many people.
However, if you think UF is going to pay more than that, or any school, you're just flat out wrong. What they'll do is give you the money for a scholarship, food expenses, coaching, facilities and housing -- and your balance will be zero. It will literally be the same amount of money either way, except this way there's a lot more that can't be siphoned off of the student athletes.
Furthermore, paying student athletes means that you also have to pay for the other sports -- which is going to effectively kill those sports since the vast majority don't turn a profit anyway.
In the end, they aren't paid for just classes and I don't fault them for wanting a "bigger slice of the pie", but if you guys sincerely think the NCAA or any University is going to act in the interest of someone else, you don't even know basic economics.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:34 pm to coachcrisp
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Are you looking at it from the individual's perspective or the sport's? In order for the sport to survive, there needs to be parity of talent. If there are just a couple of "rich" teams who can afford to outbid the rest, how long do you believe the sport will last?....then when the league folds, NOBODY gets paid.
Well it’s happening now
There’s not much parity in college football really
So maybe we should bring a draft to CFB
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:37 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Players going to the NFL play for whatever team because they will make millions.
Forcing a kid to go live somewhere he doesn't want to live, and go to a school that might not have a decent program for his education is absolutely fricking retarded.
Forcing a kid to go live somewhere he doesn't want to live, and go to a school that might not have a decent program for his education is absolutely fricking retarded.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:02 pm to I Bleed Garnet
quote:I hope you're just trying to be factious.
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Are you looking at it from the individual's perspective or the sport's? In order for the sport to survive, there needs to be parity of talent. If there are just a couple of "rich" teams who can afford to outbid the rest, how long do you believe the sport will last?....then when the league folds, NOBODY gets paid.
Well it’s happening now
There’s not much parity in college football really
So maybe we should bring a draft to CFB
Posted on 6/26/19 at 9:28 pm to coachcrisp
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I hope you're just trying to be factious.
But you used parity
Is there parity in CFB?
I’m not talking about paying kids anymore it won’t happen.
If anything they’ll just increase the stipend to say 10k a semester or some shite
But realistically, you hate on pro sports so much, but there is far more parity than CFB
Maybe it’s because you’re a Bama fan and you don’t care, but what about Bama basketball?
Posted on 6/26/19 at 9:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Players going to the NFL play for whatever team because they will make millions.
Forcing a kid to go live somewhere he doesn't want to live, and go to a school that might not have a decent program for his education is absolutely fricking retarded.
I agree 100% i didn’t actually mean that
But by the means of “parity” there is none in college football
I’m not mad at it all though. USC will most likely never win a title in my lifetime. Doesn’t matter I’m still watching because that’s my school.
But when it comes to a sport where parity exists and “anything can happen” the NFL is that league
I am a Panthers fan (another shirt franchise) but I’ve at least seen my team play twice for a title.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 9:33 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I know they won’t. It’s not feasible
But even in the slightest if they somehow do, maybe CFB and MBB leaves the NCAA or something and the big conferences create some kind of new league? (Once again not going to happen but just throwing shite out there)
I’m still going to root for them because it says the University of South Carolina on their chest. And we won’t lose any fans, because this is all we got
But even in the slightest if they somehow do, maybe CFB and MBB leaves the NCAA or something and the big conferences create some kind of new league? (Once again not going to happen but just throwing shite out there)
I’m still going to root for them because it says the University of South Carolina on their chest. And we won’t lose any fans, because this is all we got
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:40 pm to I Bleed Garnet
They pretty much tried to make a B-League with the AAF and it failed. The XFL will probably fail as well. The sport is, simply put, too expensive for people to actively invest their hard earned money in another league.
In basketball you simply need jerseys, shorts, shoes, refs, 10 guys and a YMCA and you're set to go.
In football, especially a professional league, you need the entire equipment get up, tons of players you know the rest.
Simply speaking, this is probably the best we've got to perfecting what we have. If you're a kid and considering going to play football, the first thing I'm telling you, even if you're a 5-star is:
Make your education priority number one.
Even if you don't see a red cent from the NCAA using your license, a degree from really any university sets you up for life in a decent job.
Forget B-league, forget paying them, forget any of that shite. Just tell them to stay the frick in school and focus on what matters.
In basketball you simply need jerseys, shorts, shoes, refs, 10 guys and a YMCA and you're set to go.
In football, especially a professional league, you need the entire equipment get up, tons of players you know the rest.
Simply speaking, this is probably the best we've got to perfecting what we have. If you're a kid and considering going to play football, the first thing I'm telling you, even if you're a 5-star is:
Make your education priority number one.
Even if you don't see a red cent from the NCAA using your license, a degree from really any university sets you up for life in a decent job.
Forget B-league, forget paying them, forget any of that shite. Just tell them to stay the frick in school and focus on what matters.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:55 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Regarding education i think they should do something for the elite players to make them have an easier transition to a football career if they don’t make the pros
A degree in sociology, English or African Americans history isn’t getting you anywhere now days
And it’s not like these coaches are allowing these kids to take business or STEM majors
A degree in sociology, English or African Americans history isn’t getting you anywhere now days
And it’s not like these coaches are allowing these kids to take business or STEM majors
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 5:02 am
Posted on 6/27/19 at 5:06 am to coachcrisp
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and we'll lose an important aspect of our interest in athletics as a whole.
If Penn State can cover up a coach raping children for years and have literally none of their fans leave, if the football team ends up increasing stipends or paying them a little more, fans won’t leave
I understand it’s not the correct comparison regarding amateurism
But it’s one of the most heinous acts in college sports and fan support wasn’t hurt at all. If anything their donations increased the next year
Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:52 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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In basketball you simply need jerseys, shorts, shoes, refs, 10 guys and a YMCA and you're set to go.
Not really
At least a decade ago I was in a college facility and the equipment was pretty expensive. Had this really cool workout pool - bigger than a bathtub but way smaller than a standard pool. Price back then was like 1/2 million bucks.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 8:05 am to I Bleed Garnet
quote:This is so much of an "apples to oranges" comparison that I don't even know how to respond.
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and we'll lose an important aspect of our interest in athletics as a whole.
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If Penn State can cover up a coach raping children for years and have literally none of their fans leave, if the football team ends up increasing stipends or paying them a little more, fans won’t leave
I understand it’s not the correct comparison regarding amateurism
But it’s one of the most heinous acts in college sports and fan support wasn’t hurt at all. If anything their donations increased the next year
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 8:06 am
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