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Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:53 pm to GoldenDawg
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:53 pm to GoldenDawg
You may be right. Ive never researched atheism. I just know that I dont believe in god, and yet I am still a good person.
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Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:54 pm to CJM18
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You're right! It's true whether I say it or not. I'll be waiting for you to demonstrate that it's not true.
Morality could have been from one creator, multiple creators, a constantly evolving standard, something that happened on accident, a cosmic wager between to deities, or even something humans created out of convenience.
You haven't proven in any way that Baby Jesus created morality, and I am incapable of demonstrating it's not true, just like you don't have the capability of demonstrating that there is an afterlife.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:56 pm to GoldenDawg
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Please correct me (gently) if I am wrong, but I believe the true, pure Atheist uses Darwinian principles (some would say 'instinct') to determine morality. Now, this does not necessarily have to correlate to situational ethics, survival of the fittest, etc., but they will couch their argument on morality in those general terms.
I think.
This is my impression of atheism as well.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:56 pm to TreyAnastasio
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You may be right. Ive never researched atheism. I just know that I dont believe in god, and yet I am still a good person.
I think an Atheist would say that is because, in the evolution of the human species, through trial and error, civilized man has learned it is best for him and his species if we treat each other in a way we would like to be treated. That type of behavior begets similar behavior in which all human animals benefit, and thus your morality was derived, not through some metaphysical being or force, but through pure evolutionary trial and error which brought you to the point where you act, as you put it, 'good'.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:59 pm to GoldenDawg
I can buy an argument like that. I figure that we are a social species and traits that helped us work together got passed on.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:02 pm to Duke
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I can buy an argument like that. I figure that we are a social species and traits that helped us work together got passed on.
Well, as best I understand it, that is the underlying basis for an Atheists view of 'morality'. Now, it gets to be a lot more complicated than that, and I am just hitting it with a very broad brush stroke.
But a true Atheist must base everything, even the concept of good, evil, morality, and immorality on evolutionary terms or the whole Atheism theory goes down the toilet.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:13 pm to GoldenDawg
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I think an Atheist would say that is because, in the evolution of the human species, through trial and error, civilized man has learned it is best for him and his species if we treat each other in a way we would like to be treated. That type of behavior begets similar behavior in which all human animals benefit, and thus your morality was derived, not through some metaphysical being or force, but through pure evolutionary trial and error which brought you to the point where you act, as you put it, 'good'.
I'll be back later to show you why this doesn't hold up.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:15 pm to CJM18
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I'll be back later to show you why this doesn't hold up.
I never said it held up, fwiw.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:30 pm to TeLeFaWx
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You haven't proven in any way that Baby Jesus created morality, and I am incapable of demonstrating it's not true, just like you don't have the capability of demonstrating that there is an afterlife.
Correct. I haven't attempted to establish Jesus yet. Although I'm up for that also. We've only been debating the existence of God.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 5:59 pm to CJM18
Right and wrong has nothing to do with god, just read the story of Job. You think god was right to do that? Just so he could prove a point to Satan?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:01 pm to Stonehog
It's not for man to judge God, but to be obedient to His will.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:03 pm to Alahunter
God ruined Job's life because of his own pride. I don't understand how a higher power could have a human emotion like pride and still be considered a higher power.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:10 pm to Stonehog
Again, you judge God, when it's obedience that is required. And yours or my understanding isn't what's required. I never understood things I was taught or punished for growing up, but eventually, I did.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:10 pm to CJM18
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Correct. I haven't attempted to establish Jesus yet. Although I'm up for that also. We've only been debating the existence of God.
Look, buddy... if you are going to stick with the regurgitated premise that you initially stated, I feel you too close minded to really discuss anything of consequence. No offense. I just get the feeling your are too rigid to even understand why your premise is flawed, or even truly comprehend what I'm saying.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:12 pm to TeLeFaWx
Why in the purple frick is this thread still going?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:13 pm to Stonehog
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God ruined Job's life because of his own pride. I don't understand how a higher power could have a human emotion like pride and still be considered a higher power.
Not even close.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:13 pm to TbirdSpur2010
because, Alahunter.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:16 pm to Alahunter
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Again, you judge God
I don't believe in your god. The story of Job is one reason.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:18 pm to Stonehog
Your prerogative. However, it sounds as though you choose not to, because it's inconvenient more so and against your will. In any case, you have that choice to and it's not up to me to argue you into changing it. 
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:19 pm to Alahunter
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because, Alahunter.
Dammit, hunter!
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