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Posted on 12/6/13 at 10:32 am to wadewilson
Posted on 12/6/13 at 10:32 am to wadewilson
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When I check Facebook, my filled isn't filled with the arrogance of religious people.
It's that one atheist who's better than everybody else, and needs for everyone to know it.
I feel like atheists are horrible on that stance, and I think it stems from typical liberal elitism. I feel like Christians are horrible on the social stance on it, especially women. To act like Christians aren't judgmental on the issue is quite unfair. For the most part, a Christian isn't going to marry an atheist, or be proud of them and thei stance for what they believe. That isn't a problem persay, but to act like either side is capable of not judging the other is quite silly. I hear Christians talk about how they don't judge, and while maybe in general it's sort of true, fundamentally it isn't possible not to. They very fabric of the believe system is exclusivity and evangelism exists out of that dynamic. I've gone to plenty of weddings where they read straight from the Bible and there is no sense to trying to frame is as a parable or a metaphor. The woman is supposed to look up to the man like the man looks up to Jesus. True happiness, according to Christians, ONLY comes from Jesus.
I want to make this perfectly clear... liberal atheists are judgemental, narrow minded, and usually bitter. Unlike Christianity, they revere nothing other than their own intelligence. That doesn't mean Christians lack some or all of those characteristics. The very nature of the debate means that one side inherently has that feeling towards the other.
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Posted on 12/6/13 at 10:41 am to wadewilson
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It's that one atheist who's better than everybody else, and needs for everyone to know it.
Yeah i know a few militant atheists myself.
I think that for both sides, it's thinking that you know something great and wanting to tell everyone about it--that's just human nature. I've seen plenty of christians that are aggravating assholes just like i've seen atheists that are the same way. If you don't let it engulf your entire life and respect the views of others, you should never have a problem holding firm to your beliefs and living amongst people with different ones.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 10:43 am to TeLeFaWx
Just like everything else, a few bad apples spoil the lot. I know a few atheists that aren't vocal about it at all. Even when you press them to talk about it, they refuse to. But I also know one that is very vocal about it, and quite annoying about it.
Same for religious people. Majority of the people in my life are Christians, but only a couple of them are annoyingly vocal about it. Most keep it to themselves for the most part.
That doesn't even count Facebook. I have a few Facebook friends that are over the top with their religious posts and rants. They're friends from high school so I don't really talk with them anymore, so I don't really consider them part of my life. One I give a pass since he is a Baptist preacher, and a solid person.
Same for religious people. Majority of the people in my life are Christians, but only a couple of them are annoyingly vocal about it. Most keep it to themselves for the most part.
That doesn't even count Facebook. I have a few Facebook friends that are over the top with their religious posts and rants. They're friends from high school so I don't really talk with them anymore, so I don't really consider them part of my life. One I give a pass since he is a Baptist preacher, and a solid person.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 10:45 am to TeLeFaWx
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I want to make this perfectly clear... liberal atheists are judgemental, narrow minded, and usually bitter. Unlike Christianity
Growing up I was made fun of quite often
even into high school about being an atheist/nonbeliever.
I am bitter.
It drives me crazy to be told literally that I'm "going to hell". It was the
definition of hateful. Somehow I'm the bad guy for spreading skepticism or
debunking the idea that 'religion isn't harmful'. Because in my experience it is.
This post was edited on 12/6/13 at 10:47 am
Posted on 12/6/13 at 10:57 am to MagicCityBlazer
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Growing up I was made fun of quite often
even into high school about being an atheist/nonbeliever.
I have seen this too.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 11:15 am to TeLeFaWx
I'm just making a personal observation.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:59 pm to TeLeFaWx
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You're framing a dichotomy of Christianity and atheism as a parallel between a dichotomy of absolute morality and lack there of. It's terribly flawed, and a horrible misrepresentation of any good debate between the two. I know some atheists, and they still have a sense of right and wrong. To act as if they don't because they don't believe it comes from some person born of a virgin is horribly stupid.
I think you've missed what he's saying. The point is that atheists DO have a sense of right and wrong. The problem with that is they have no basis for labeling something good or evil if there's no higher power that establishes an objective moral law that differentiates good from evil.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:43 pm to CJM18
"Evil" is just the absence of goodness. Just like there isn't such a thing as darkness, it's just the absence of light.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:08 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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"Evil" is just the absence of goodness. Just like there isn't such a thing as darkness, it's just the absence of light.
That's one way to look at it. You can't define one without the other.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:10 pm to CJM18
So because I dont believe in god I cant know what is moral?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:17 pm to CJM18
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I think you've missed what he's saying. The point is that atheists DO have a sense of right and wrong. The problem with that is they have no basis for labeling something good or evil if there's no higher power that establishes an objective moral law that differentiates good from evil.
This is just stupid.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:19 pm to TreyAnastasio
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So because I dont believe in god I cant know what is moral?
No kidding. That's beyond hilarious.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:23 pm to BluegrassBelle
I mean Christians do have the market cornered on morality 
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:34 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Posted by TreyAnastasio So because I dont believe in god I cant know what is moral?
Read the quote again. You DO know what is moral. So it makes no logical sense to agree that there are objective moral laws while at the same time claiming that there is no Law Giver.
If objective moral laws exist, then God has to exist. It makes no sense logically to agree with the former but not the latter.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:36 pm to CJM18
I am the law giver
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:40 pm to CJM18
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Read the quote again. You DO know what is moral. So it makes no logical sense to agree that there are objective moral laws while at the same time claiming that there is no Law Giver.
No matter how many times you say this, that doesn't make it true.
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If objective moral laws exist, then God has to exist. It makes no sense logically to agree with the former but not the latter.
You can say this over and over and over, but it doesn't make it true at all.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:43 pm to TeLeFaWx
No, I think he is right. In order for there to be morals, there must be something to set them. Where he is wrong is when he assumes it must be some invisible deity from space. I take responsibility for my own actions and live within my own moral code.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:47 pm to TeLeFaWx
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You can say this over and over and over, but it doesn't make it true at all.
You're right! It's true whether I say it or not. I'll be waiting for you to demonstrate that it's not true.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:51 pm to TreyAnastasio
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No, I think he is right. In order for there to be morals, there must be something to set them. Where he is wrong is when he assumes it must be some invisible deity from space. I take responsibility for my own actions and live within my own moral code.
Please correct me (gently) if I am wrong, but I believe the true, pure Atheist uses Darwinian principles (some would say 'instinct') to determine morality. Now, this does not necessarily have to correlate to situational ethics, survival of the fittest, etc., but they will couch their argument on morality in those general terms.
I think.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:52 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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Growing up I was made fun of quite often
That wasn't because of your atheism, that was because your shriveled little dick looked weird and chicks wouldn't touch it
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