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Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:31 pm to wubilli
Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:31 pm to wubilli
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Considering he could win the starting RB job in the spring.
Doubt it. Staff is infatuated with Witter for some out of this world reason and my money is on Witter being the #1 RB.
My guess is Walters, if healthy, moves ahead of him. My guess is Strong moves ahead of him. Who knows about Williams and Doherty once they're no longer protecting a redshirt. Yeah, I can understand leaving if it means you get to play at least one year of college ball instead of holding a clip board or whatever RB's hold.
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Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:40 pm to reedus23
Obviously if he is unhappy here then move on. The coaches have played Abbington a few snaps a a RB/WR in 5 wide sets. Still think Abbington will have an opportunity to get one of the top 2 RB spots next year.
With the offense being terrible this year Mizzou is not even getting 60 offensive snaps a game. Get some first downs and just maybe guys like Abbington & Hunt would play more.
Also Witter only played 8 snaps against Vandy. The bye week may do some good for any backups wanting to move up.
With the offense being terrible this year Mizzou is not even getting 60 offensive snaps a game. Get some first downs and just maybe guys like Abbington & Hunt would play more.
Also Witter only played 8 snaps against Vandy. The bye week may do some good for any backups wanting to move up.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:57 pm to wubilli
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Obviously if he is unhappy here then move on. The coaches have played Abbington a few snaps a a RB/WR in 5 wide sets. Still think Abbington will have an opportunity to get one of the top 2 RB spots next year.
I think he should but I can understand if he doesn't believe he'll be given an honest opportunity. How could you not doubt it when you're relatively impressive in very limited opportunities and spend the rest of the game watching Ish ripping of 1/3 of a yard if we're lucky. I agree he should be able to compete for it, but I personally doubt he'll be given an honest chance and more importantly I can understand why he wouldn't believe it.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:58 pm to wubilli
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With the offense being terrible this year Mizzou is not even getting 60 offensive snaps a game. Get some first downs and just maybe guys like Abbington & Hunt would play more.
Maybe if guys like Abbington and Hunt were given more playing time we would get first downs and 60 snaps on offense.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 11:42 pm to reedus23
Hunt played more than Witter vs Vandy.
To address your other point, if he falls to 5th or 6th on the DC then he's not any good and it won't hurt us one bit if he leaves. That is unless you think GP will intentionally bury a difference maker on the DC just because...well, I can't figure out why he'd do it.
Instead of bemoaning the coaches for mistreatment of Abbington, maybe look at Chase himself for the reasons he's not playing. Couldn't qualify out of HS. Placed at a JUCO. Was supposed to enroll for spring ball. Couldn't get that done. In fact, couldn't even make it to fall camp on time. Got here out of shape. Slow to pick up the playbook.
A laundry list of things that seem to point to, at the very least, a poor work ethic. Seems to me him not playing rest squarely on his shoulders.
Sure, I'd rather see him get snaps than Witter. Witter sucks, but if Chase wants to be a D1 RB he needs to dedicate himself over this offseason and put in the WORK necessary to do so. The opportunity is there. If he wants it he can go get it. If not, he'll keep doing the same shite he's been doing.
To address your other point, if he falls to 5th or 6th on the DC then he's not any good and it won't hurt us one bit if he leaves. That is unless you think GP will intentionally bury a difference maker on the DC just because...well, I can't figure out why he'd do it.
Instead of bemoaning the coaches for mistreatment of Abbington, maybe look at Chase himself for the reasons he's not playing. Couldn't qualify out of HS. Placed at a JUCO. Was supposed to enroll for spring ball. Couldn't get that done. In fact, couldn't even make it to fall camp on time. Got here out of shape. Slow to pick up the playbook.
A laundry list of things that seem to point to, at the very least, a poor work ethic. Seems to me him not playing rest squarely on his shoulders.
Sure, I'd rather see him get snaps than Witter. Witter sucks, but if Chase wants to be a D1 RB he needs to dedicate himself over this offseason and put in the WORK necessary to do so. The opportunity is there. If he wants it he can go get it. If not, he'll keep doing the same shite he's been doing.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 12:19 am to JesusQuintana
Your post seems to indicate that you think GP may not be playing him out of principle.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 1:06 am to the808bass
Sure, that's part of it. Guys have to do something to earn it. Seems he's done just the opposite at about every turn. I'm guessing there is other stuff we aren't privy to, aside from the very long list of things we are.
I'd probably be playing him over Witter, but I understand the reasoning for not doing it. If this decision was the difference between winning and losing I don't think he'd be doing it. A guy like DGB got a lot more leeway.
Besides, I don't remember which game it was but he was worked into the gameplan early and his first play from scrimmage he drops a pass right in his bread basket.
I'd probably be playing him over Witter, but I understand the reasoning for not doing it. If this decision was the difference between winning and losing I don't think he'd be doing it. A guy like DGB got a lot more leeway.
Besides, I don't remember which game it was but he was worked into the gameplan early and his first play from scrimmage he drops a pass right in his bread basket.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 3:50 am to JesusQuintana
Meanwhile, Pinkel is about to reinsert a QB with a very long laundry list of problems - many of which we're aware of, some of which we're not - yet principles apparently aren't going to banish him to the doghouse forever.
What's galling about the handling of Abbington (and all the back-up RBs) is, RB is the easiest position to transition to the next higher level at, save pass blocking responsibilities. Ninety percent of the time you either have it or you don't. And in a completely shitted away season, we still don't know what we have behind Russ and Ish.
You may be right about CA having a poor work ethic, but work ethic or not Witter ain't cutting it.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 7:18 am to Mizz-SEC
It's all about how Abbington and the other backs practice. The announcers against Vandy mentioned that the coaches wanted to get him in more. He was the first RB in for Hansbrough. Mizzou only had about 15 designed runs. The RBs were used in pass blocking a good chunk of the game.
He has to practice better. GP is well known for making almost all of his game day decisions in the Thursday before a game. Practice better and he will play. Next year the job is his for the taking, he just has to dedicate himself to put in the necessary work.
He has to practice better. GP is well known for making almost all of his game day decisions in the Thursday before a game. Practice better and he will play. Next year the job is his for the taking, he just has to dedicate himself to put in the necessary work.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 8:32 am to wubilli
It's hard to bitch about Pinkel's rigidness since he has had success, but if practice performance is the be-all and end-all you 1) limit your chances to ride a hot hand, and 2) miss out on players who are average in practice but game day monsters.
And then we have the case of Justin Smith. Every time I saw a highlight reel of fall practices he was towering over our corners, snatching the ball, or running for a TD. He looked to be a helluva practice player. I wonder if he could have come in handy on 1st and goal's inside the 10 this year?
Posted on 10/31/15 at 8:56 am to Mizz-SEC
How much of Smith's fall practice highlights came against walkons & other freshmen compared to first and second stringers.
Within the next 2 years I think he will be the best WR on the team.
Within the next 2 years I think he will be the best WR on the team.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 9:44 am to wubilli
How much of Witter's practice prowess came against second and third stringers? And conversely, how much of Abbington's practice reps are coming against the 1st team D? The 1st team O practices against the 2nd team D and vise versa, right?
PS - I hope you know I'm not arguing with you Bill. It's just frustration venting. My inner jagd coming out.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 10:40 am to JesusQuintana
I agree chase holds some responsibility too but I have 2 words: Henry Josey
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Posted on 10/31/15 at 11:30 am to reedus23
Yea with his size maybe he could break a few of the tackles that are taking down the other backs.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 12:00 pm to reedus23
Henry Josey is a bad example. He is one of the only RBs to get a lot of playing time as a freshman. He was in line to get a lot of work as a sophomore. Due to injuries, he got just about all of the work. Josey was not a liability and being held back by the coaches. He played a lot.
Abbington showed up late twice and out of shape. His first couple of games he blew every pass pro assignment except 1 that I can remember. That limited his playing time.
Abbington has improved though and I wouldn't be surprised if he is second behind Hansbrough the rest of the year.
Abbington showed up late twice and out of shape. His first couple of games he blew every pass pro assignment except 1 that I can remember. That limited his playing time.
Abbington has improved though and I wouldn't be surprised if he is second behind Hansbrough the rest of the year.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 12:57 pm to Tigersessed
Remember these are just rumors about a chance of him transferring at the end of the year. Mostly hear-say and not confirmed by Abbington. Third party stuff.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 1:59 pm to reedus23
I think people are not upset about this whole situation as they should be. People who don't even watch much football can tell Ish is not prepared or does not currently have the skills to be a quality back at this level. The coaching staff must know this and yet still continues to play him so much. If teaching a player a lesson is more important than having a player with more potential than a player who has already shown he is not going to get the job done, your coaching staff has some screwed-up principles.
And if Abbington gets more carries and plays well, the coaching staff will and should hear it. Now if the coaches truly believe Ish Witter should be a starting back, some coaches need to be fired.
And if Abbington gets more carries and plays well, the coaching staff will and should hear it. Now if the coaches truly believe Ish Witter should be a starting back, some coaches need to be fired.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 4:53 pm to Tigersessed
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Henry Josey is a bad example
No he is a great example he went from being 3rd string to leading the Big 12 in rushing in one season. He only took over that year when the 1st 2 backs went down.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 5:55 pm to Tackle74
On paper he was 3rd string, but he was never utilized that way. He played just as much or more than any other RB beginning his first year. I'm pretty sure he was the leading rusher on our team the year you are referencing even before any injuries occurred. He went to workhorse status because of the injuries though.
Posted on 10/31/15 at 10:14 pm to Tigersessed
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On paper he was 3rd string, but he was never utilized that way.
He was behind KL & Moore and hardle touched the ball his Soph year, fans were high on him after seeing flashes his Freshman year. He hardly touched the rock until the injuries side lined the other 2. Remember that year very well.
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