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re: The System: The Glory and Scandal of Big-Time College Football,
Posted on 8/28/13 at 7:57 am to the808bass
Posted on 8/28/13 at 7:57 am to the808bass
What is wrong with the system? The AD lets anyone apply to be a tutor. Players who have GPA issues are mandated to utilize the program. Players with good grades do not have to utilize the program.
Should the AD face the risk of discrimination lawsuits and prevent attractive girls from applying? Should the AD follow the players to parties and personal time activities to verify they aren't seeing a tutor on their own time?
People act like Mizzou is providing a sex room for the tutors and players and looking the other way. Get over it folks. The AD is doing what it can to help graduate players and 99% of the people involved has said it is the best run program in the country.
Should the AD face the risk of discrimination lawsuits and prevent attractive girls from applying? Should the AD follow the players to parties and personal time activities to verify they aren't seeing a tutor on their own time?
People act like Mizzou is providing a sex room for the tutors and players and looking the other way. Get over it folks. The AD is doing what it can to help graduate players and 99% of the people involved has said it is the best run program in the country.
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 8:09 am to notsince98
So having two women who were employees of the university sexually assaulted by scholarship athletes in a two year time frame is no big deal (might have been the same year - ?).
This wouldn't fly in another department and it shouldn't fly in the athletic department.
Even a consensual sexual relationship between a university employee and an athlete presents some difficulties. What's the policy? Is there a zero tolerance policy for a relationship between tutors and players? That would mark off the lines for both parties.
This wouldn't fly in another department and it shouldn't fly in the athletic department.
Even a consensual sexual relationship between a university employee and an athlete presents some difficulties. What's the policy? Is there a zero tolerance policy for a relationship between tutors and players? That would mark off the lines for both parties.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 8:14 am to the808bass
Sexual assault is a huge deal. What does that have to do with the AD? These girls invited their accused assaulters into their own residences despite the AD making it clear that relationships between players and tutors is NOT CONDONED.
It didn't happen on school property. The AD didn't "pair" them up to hook up. The AD punished the players.
Why are you going out of your way to accuse the AD of being responsible or negligent?
It didn't happen on school property. The AD didn't "pair" them up to hook up. The AD punished the players.
Why are you going out of your way to accuse the AD of being responsible or negligent?
Posted on 8/28/13 at 8:15 am to the808bass
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In the Dixon situation, he should have been gone with a credible rape allegation.
Agree 100% and from what I recall the first incident sounded more credible than the 2nd.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 8:17 am to the808bass
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And yet the ones we know about were with. tutors. That's not nothing. I'm not sure what it is. But it's not nothing.
I'm not saying it's nothing. Certainly warrants the University monitoring things but I also think it hardly warrants a hatchet job in some book.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 12:38 pm to reedus23
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I'm not saying it's nothing. Certainly warrants the University monitoring things but I also think it hardly warrants a hatchet job in some book.
Agreed. I will always come down hard on sexual assault cases, they are among the worst crimes there are. But this seems like a simple hit piece on the University, using everyone BUT the University as sources. Obviously, DWash, his family, the victim, etc - they all had an axe to grind over the case, and the deep pocket is the University. But to my knowledge, no civil suit was ever filed, which says to me that the AD did nothing wrong.
Hopefully, they learned from this, and reinforce not getting involved with athletes in the tutor training; and, reminding athletes that tutors are there to help their grades, nothing else.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 12:39 pm to semotruman
The book is going to be as big a bust as "Death to the BCS" was. They're just taking a popular topic at the time and running with it, that's all. I found a copy of Death to the BCS for $2 the other day fwiw 
Posted on 8/28/13 at 1:09 pm to semotruman
So is there supposed to be a section or chapter of the book dedicated to the Mizzou tutoring thing, or is what we've seen so far the extent of it?
Also, are all the Mizzou tutors good looking women or something? I realize Mizzou's got a pretty high percentage of good looking women, but I figured the tutors that are getting the kind of success Mizzou's achieved recently in academics/APR/etc would come from nerdy dudes helping out the teams.
Also, are all the Mizzou tutors good looking women or something? I realize Mizzou's got a pretty high percentage of good looking women, but I figured the tutors that are getting the kind of success Mizzou's achieved recently in academics/APR/etc would come from nerdy dudes helping out the teams.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 1:54 pm to Mizzeaux
From what I understood, there is a chapter on the topic. They interviewed the victim, and apparently she airs all the dirty laundry of the case. Dan Wetzel refers to the Mizzou stuff as being "worse" than the Tennessee stuff of Kiffin basically pimping the hostesses. Apparently, they had a girl named Lacey, referred to as "The Closer."
Posted on 8/28/13 at 1:57 pm to semotruman
WTF is this shite?
frick Wetzel.
frick Wetzel.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 2:01 pm to semotruman
Is Lacey the Mizzou closer, or the Kiffin closer the Mizzou situation is supposedly worse than?
Posted on 8/28/13 at 2:03 pm to kilo
Wetzel just wrote a review of the book. The book is written by some fairly serious investigative journalists, and comes out in a couple of weeks.
Sounds like a hit piece on college football, by some guys with definite agendas. And journalists love going after SEC schools.
Sounds like a hit piece on college football, by some guys with definite agendas. And journalists love going after SEC schools.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 2:10 pm to Mizzeaux
Lacey was the Kiffen closer. Wetzel says the Mizzou stuff is "even worse." 
Posted on 8/28/13 at 2:13 pm to semotruman
Well at least we're trying. Pinkel's always said there's a family atmosphere, I suppose everyone banging each other is a good way to encourage closeness. Hell, if everyone's sharing partners it may be just the kind of incestuous stuff we need to get some cred in the south.
I kid, there's very little okay with the idea of having college girls systematically banging recruits and players.
If they do it on their own, that's fine. Jerseychasing is not a crime.
I kid, there's very little okay with the idea of having college girls systematically banging recruits and players.
If they do it on their own, that's fine. Jerseychasing is not a crime.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 2:20 pm to Mizzeaux
It sounds like perhaps there were some jersey-chasers among the tutoring ranks. If I recall correctly, DWash was visiting one of his "girlfriends" and assaulted her roommate (known for being "friendly" to athletes) after his chick fell asleep.
It was DWash's "girlfriend" ( ) who was assaulted by Dixon a few months later. She wouldn't press charges based on how her roommate was treated for reporting the DWash thing. Terrible situation all the way around.
It was DWash's "girlfriend" (
) who was assaulted by Dixon a few months later. She wouldn't press charges based on how her roommate was treated for reporting the DWash thing. Terrible situation all the way around. 
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