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The System: The Glory and Scandal of Big-Time College Football,
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:00 pm
So, this book is being released on Sept 17. And apparently, Mizzou's tutoring program is being slammed pretty bad. Here's a review from Dan Wetzel...
The System review
His section on Mizzou...
Nice hit piece, and apparently Mizzou was never contacted for comment. There is an article in the KC Star today that said Alden didn't even learn of this book until last night.
The System review
His section on Mizzou...
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Even worse is the story of the University of Missouri student-athlete tutoring culture, which is paramount in keeping players eligible for competition. "The System" lays out the profoundly bad idea of college girls being paired with football and basketball players – who are often academically disinterested and physically exhausted – for apparently lightly supervised one-on-one work.
The result: an environment of sexually provocative conversations; rampant hook-ups; tutors just doing the athletes' schoolwork themselves; and, most terribly, in the case of star running back Derrick Washington, a 2010 sexual assault of his clean-cut, serious-minded tutor that sent him to prison.
The victim in that case spoke publicly for the first time to the authors and revealed her horrifying ordeal while blowing up the entire system. Washington, his parents and other key witnesses also spoke candidly about what went wrong at Mizzou.
As local prosecutor Andrea Hayes, who investigated the tutoring program, said, "Too many tutors were having sex with the athletes, and really filthy conversations were going on between players and girls. It was a sexually charged environment. It was a joke – the whole tutorial situation."
Nice hit piece, and apparently Mizzou was never contacted for comment. There is an article in the KC Star today that said Alden didn't even learn of this book until last night.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:09 pm to Remote Controlled
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DWash
I know. Every time I think we put that behind us, it rears its ugly head again.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:10 pm to Remote Controlled
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"Too many tutors were having sex with the athletes, and really filthy conversations were going on between players and girls. It was a sexually charged environment. It was a joke – the whole tutorial situation."
College guys and girls having sex?
And filthy talk? Shame on y'all. Jeez, the freaking prosecuting attorney is more embarrassing to COMO than the fact that some athletes are hooking up. Seriously? We are worried about filthy conversation? Don't know why, because I never watched the whole movie but I just had flashes of Footloose after those comments.
The Washington thing isn't fair and is a cheap shot. You can't stop dumb asses from committing crimes and once he did, his arse was gone. If it wasn't a tutor it would have been some other girl. Just the nature of those kind of guys.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:11 pm to semotruman
posted this on the rant this morning
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:16 pm to zou_keeper
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posted this on the rant this morning
Sorry, I missed that.
And Reedus, I agree with you. How are you supposed to stop consenting kids from having sex?? This is a hit piece, pure and simple, and that prosecuting attorney should have kept her mouth shut. What purpose does it serve to bash Mizzou over this case? The AD did nothing wrong.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:25 pm to semotruman
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How are you supposed to stop consenting kids from having sex??
It's not just how are you supposed to stop them it's why should you and if there's nothing wrong with it, why is it being presented like there's something wrong with it. The whole DWash thing aside.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:43 pm to reedus23
I disagree. The DWash thing is compounded by the Michael Dixon thing. Wasn't Dixon's first assault at Mizzou on one of the tutors?
There's enough smoke here to suggest that there's a fire that is a little bigger than "college kids being college kids."
And while there was very credible evidence Dixon had committed a crime, he wasn't gone. Not even close. I'm going to side with the attorney here. Heck, she may know of some other smoke around the program. Other girls who wouldn't press charges. I'm not letting the alma mater off the hook on this one. If the author of this book would have put the Dixon saga in this pericope, it would've looked much worse for the University but may have been much more accurate and contextual.
There's enough smoke here to suggest that there's a fire that is a little bigger than "college kids being college kids."
And while there was very credible evidence Dixon had committed a crime, he wasn't gone. Not even close. I'm going to side with the attorney here. Heck, she may know of some other smoke around the program. Other girls who wouldn't press charges. I'm not letting the alma mater off the hook on this one. If the author of this book would have put the Dixon saga in this pericope, it would've looked much worse for the University but may have been much more accurate and contextual.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 11:55 pm to the808bass
If the author wants to say that Mizzou is creating an atmosphere that encourages its players to rape women, that's one thing. I think it's bullshite, but that's different than saying college kids are having sex or talking dirty. Any idea how many other girls are assaulted and/or raped on campus? Unfortunately I'm going to bet it's at a higher rate than 2 incidents in however many years. My point is that a TPOS is going to be a TPOS whether it's with a tutor or someone else.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 12:08 am to the808bass
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The DWash thing is compounded by the Michael Dixon thing. Wasn't Dixon's first assault at Mizzou on one of the tutors?
Yes, that was the rumor - Dixon assaulted the tutor that was Washington's "girlfriend" after DWash was gone.
But still, I see a clear line between consensual acts and sexual assault. In a perfect world, no the tutors wouldn't be involved with athletes. But short of following the tutors around and monitoring their social lives, what is the AD supposed to do? If they find out, I guess they could fire the tutors. And obviously throw the book at any sexual assault. The Dixon thing was terrible, and we all agree on that. But I'm just sure what the AD was supposed to do in this situation.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 12:15 am to semotruman
In the Dixon situation, he should have been gone with a credible rape allegation. We sent NWC and Bull packing because they were mediocre players. I'd say a credible rape allegation is a good enough reason to send someone down the line as well.
I see a clear line between consensual sex and non-consensual, as well. DWash and Dixon didn't. Are there others we don't know about and the COMO prosecutor does? It wouldn't surprise me one bit. And that's quite unfortunate.
I see a clear line between consensual sex and non-consensual, as well. DWash and Dixon didn't. Are there others we don't know about and the COMO prosecutor does? It wouldn't surprise me one bit. And that's quite unfortunate.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 12:17 am to reedus23
quote:And yet the ones we know about were with. tutors. That's not nothing. I'm not sure what it is. But it's not nothing.
My point is that a TPOS is going to be a TPOS whether it's with a tutor or someone else.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 12:29 am to the808bass
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In the Dixon situation, he should have been gone with a credible rape allegation.
Yes, he should have. No question. DWash and Dixon were both apparently suffering from that entitlement delusion that some athletes have. It's a shame the girl was too intimidated to press charges.
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Are there others we don't know about and the COMO prosecutor does? It wouldn't surprise me one bit. And that's quite unfortunate
No doubt. I guess this hit piece just frustrates me because it makes it sound as if the department condones this behavior. I don't believe that's the case.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 12:35 am to semotruman
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No doubt. I guess this hit piece just frustrates me because it makes it sound as if the department condones this behavior. I don't believe that's the case.
Well the department knows there's an issue there. They have known it for years. And they haven't made public appreciable changes. That's not good.
I would guess that if two female Math tutors were raped by two Math majors in a few year period, the Math department would be looking at making some changes to their tutoring program.
I don't like it when the AD is excused from behaving as if they're not part of the University. You got the name on you. Wear it well, AD.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 12:47 am to the808bass
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You got the name on you. Wear it well, AD.
True.
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Well the department knows there's an issue there. They have known it for years. And they haven't made public appreciable changes. That's not good.
But what exactly should they make public? They can't exactly make it public that there's an issue with sexual assaults in the program without sending reporters digging for info about the victims, and that's a big no-no. The tutoring program has generated great results - we are all excited and proud about our athletes' academic achievements. So, if they reviewed rules and procedures internally, provided training and reinforced the need for a respectful, professional environment - which is what Alden said today - does that need to be public?
Posted on 8/28/13 at 1:06 am to semotruman
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So, if they reviewed rules and procedures internally, provided training and reinforced the need for a respectful, professional environment - which is what Alden said today - does that need to be public?
I didn't hear Alden's statement, admittedly. If that's true, then good on them. They don't need to broadcast all of this dirty laundry just for us to participate in this vicariously. But their willingness to hide dirty laundry with Dixon makes their actions and judgment suspect.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 1:17 am to the808bass
Alen was asked about it today at a luncheon in KC. I paraphrased from what I remembered. Here's the quote...
And the article...
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“When this issue came up in 2010, there were some comments that were made about that,” Alden said. “I know we reviewed that at that time and found that overall, our mentoring and tutoring program is well run. Again, I think it’s important that if issues arise, you look into them. But at least what we have seen, it’s been a positive environment, a positive culture. That’s what we have seen.”
When asked what changes had been made, Alden said: “It was probably just more of a reinforcement of being respectful to one another and making sure we don’t establish any level of personal relationships when we’re working together. … (It) was more just emphasizing what we had frankly already been doing, but just making sure that we’re raising that awareness.”
And the article...
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 2:21 am to semotruman
That sounds more like a "we do what we do and what we do works" quote. Disappoint.
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Posted on 8/28/13 at 7:28 am to the808bass
Why are people getting upset about a story that didn't involve any investigating or interviewing of actual AD employees or players that have gone through the program?
To call this piece biased or slanted is laughable as those go nowhere near far enough describing the lack of real journalism in this piece.
To call this piece biased or slanted is laughable as those go nowhere near far enough describing the lack of real journalism in this piece.
Posted on 8/28/13 at 7:47 am to notsince98
I was already disappointed by the system at Mizzou. So when someone does a drive by announcement on what should be a fairly obvious problem I don't get upset at them for being mildly observant.
Criticisms, whatever their intent, either have some element of truth or they don't. If the criticism has some validity, you're better off addressing the problem than complaining about the motives or methodology of the critic.
Criticisms, whatever their intent, either have some element of truth or they don't. If the criticism has some validity, you're better off addressing the problem than complaining about the motives or methodology of the critic.
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