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Recruiting players that can play.....
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:01 pm
I know for several years now, we have been recruiting (or trying to recruit) the best athletes available. Not necessarily kids that can actually “play” the position, and I’m wondering if that’s the wrong thing to do...the wrong approach.
First off, I know we aren’t going to get very many 5* and very few 4* recruits no matter where they come from. So instead of settling on the best athletes available, what if we actually recruited a cornerback that can actually cover...maybe receivers that can run routes and catch the ball?
I think we focus too much on an idea of what one should look like instead of can they do the job. I would much prefer a 5’10”corner that can cover somebody like a glove. I would much rather have the bulk of our receivers that can and do catch everything thrown in their direction, even if they don’t have sprinters speed.
I think football today thinks a corner must be 6’2 190 and can run like a deer instead of...can he cover a receiver. Does he have the instincts to turn his head and intercept a pass, or at least be in position to knock it down. I don’t ever want to see another receiver on our team like J’Mon Moore! I don’t care if he has 40,000 receiving yards, the drops, his poor character, and untrusting routes are just more than I can handle.
I would just like to see us get a couple of corners that nobody else wants, because they don’t fit the size and speed they look for, that can cover a guy like a glove. I want 2 receivers like TJ Moe that can run a route, and catch anything and everything thrown his way. Maybe 2 speed merchants on the outside. I want linebackers that are nasty and mean, and can tackle an antelope, and never miss!
Is this asking too much? Or, should we just stick with great athletes that can’t produce?
First off, I know we aren’t going to get very many 5* and very few 4* recruits no matter where they come from. So instead of settling on the best athletes available, what if we actually recruited a cornerback that can actually cover...maybe receivers that can run routes and catch the ball?
I think we focus too much on an idea of what one should look like instead of can they do the job. I would much prefer a 5’10”corner that can cover somebody like a glove. I would much rather have the bulk of our receivers that can and do catch everything thrown in their direction, even if they don’t have sprinters speed.
I think football today thinks a corner must be 6’2 190 and can run like a deer instead of...can he cover a receiver. Does he have the instincts to turn his head and intercept a pass, or at least be in position to knock it down. I don’t ever want to see another receiver on our team like J’Mon Moore! I don’t care if he has 40,000 receiving yards, the drops, his poor character, and untrusting routes are just more than I can handle.
I would just like to see us get a couple of corners that nobody else wants, because they don’t fit the size and speed they look for, that can cover a guy like a glove. I want 2 receivers like TJ Moe that can run a route, and catch anything and everything thrown his way. Maybe 2 speed merchants on the outside. I want linebackers that are nasty and mean, and can tackle an antelope, and never miss!
Is this asking too much? Or, should we just stick with great athletes that can’t produce?
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Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:00 pm to Bluegrassboy
The recruiting athletes method has shown more promise for competing. TCU is a prime example of taking long, fast twitch, no position 2 and 3 star athletes and combining them with 4 and 5 star athletes to win conference championships and New Years Six Bowls.
The thing with identifying that 5'10 corner who can cover in high school is that he would normally be a high level prospect even with that tweener 5'8 or 5'9 height. Thats the size of your Vernon Hargreaves and etc.
The thing with identifying that 5'10 corner who can cover in high school is that he would normally be a high level prospect even with that tweener 5'8 or 5'9 height. Thats the size of your Vernon Hargreaves and etc.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:22 pm to countrygrammar
But we don’t get the 4-5* athletes to compliment our 2-3’s. That’s why I wonder if it would be better to go after kids that can play a position instead of athletic ability. Schools like Iowa, Iowa St., Wisconsin, Michigan St. etc do exactly that. Just curious.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:36 pm to Bluegrassboy
The main difference between those schools and us is the conference. In most conferences there are about two heavyweights. In the SEC there is like seven. I don't necessarily mean that the heavyweight is any good, I just mean they putting in a ridiculous amount of resources towards football. Those schools have to climb a hill to get to the top, SEC is a mountain with a Saban fortress on top.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:40 pm to zatetic
The problem is that a lot of Mizzou fans think like this guy.
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why I never have a real expectation of Mizzou winning the ship, just being competitive and getting bowls, and the occasional NY6 game is a great time for me
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why I never have a real expectation of Mizzou winning the ship, just being competitive and getting bowls, and the occasional NY6 game is a great time for me
This post was edited on 1/9/18 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:44 pm to Bluegrassboy
So you want a roster full of players like Cale Garrett?
He’s a solid player but needs athletes around him.
The bigger problem the since moving to the SEC is the number of consecutive classes with too many misses. Mizzou needs to keep those athletes around until their junior and senior season. Terez Hall and Brandon Leee are examples of players that started to show that they are learning how to use their athleticism to be good players as juniors.
He’s a solid player but needs athletes around him.
The bigger problem the since moving to the SEC is the number of consecutive classes with too many misses. Mizzou needs to keep those athletes around until their junior and senior season. Terez Hall and Brandon Leee are examples of players that started to show that they are learning how to use their athleticism to be good players as juniors.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:22 am to wubilli
Not necessarily like Garrett, but closer to him than Moore. I get your point though.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:36 am to Bluegrassboy
I think if you recruit football players who aren't great athletes, then you get beat by athletes who are also great football players at the other schools...so our 5'8" corner who has perfect technique gets out-jumped by an SEC athlete receiver who also can catch the ball. If Mizzou recruits athletes who aren't necessarily great football players, they can potentially coach them up and make them great football players, but all the wind sprints in the world aren't going to make a slow kid fast, or a short kid tall.
And J'Mon Moore was not a perfect receiver, and yes he had drops. But I don't think I ever heard of him getting in trouble, so I think his character was fine. Mizzou will miss him a bunch next year.
And J'Mon Moore was not a perfect receiver, and yes he had drops. But I don't think I ever heard of him getting in trouble, so I think his character was fine. Mizzou will miss him a bunch next year.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 9:38 am to NEMizzou
Moore’s on field actions.....he acted like a thug! And no, not everyone will miss him...I certainly won’t! Neither will the team!
Posted on 1/10/18 at 9:48 am to Bluegrassboy
Lock will miss Moore, he was his top target the last 3 seasons.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 9:59 am to wubilli
Moore was always good for trash talking. Even when getting blown out.
Take away his piss poor attitude, his hands and speed will be missed by Lock
Take away his piss poor attitude, his hands and speed will be missed by Lock
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 10:03 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:22 am to NEMizzou
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Mizzou will miss him a bunch next year.
We almost certainly will.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:26 am to Bluegrassboy
How did he act like a thug? Would you call Lock a thug, because he celebrates every td pass with a little showboating? Moore is a very good wr that has mental lapses occasionally. Lock is just a product of the today's generation. Being a thug is what Brown did for Bama during the NCG. Then when he came off the field he went after his coach. That's being a thug!
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:39 am to Zou brownmajic
I wouldn’t say thug but he acted like a classless tool on the field.
Barking when DBs owned him. Barking him when making catches in blowout losses.
If you trash talk, you better back that shite up. Moore rarely did against good to great DBs.
And his hands are still garbage no matter how people wanna gloss over it.
Barking when DBs owned him. Barking him when making catches in blowout losses.
If you trash talk, you better back that shite up. Moore rarely did against good to great DBs.
And his hands are still garbage no matter how people wanna gloss over it.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:43 am to Athos
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Barking when DBs owned him. Barking him when making catches in blowout losses.
Every college player does this. There are almost no exceptions to this. I’m guessing this has more to do with your age than about Moore.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:46 am to wubilli
I tend to disagree with that. Yes everyone talks, but it’s more that Moore would talk when we were getting our asses kicked. He also does not have NFL hands at all. Keep those drops up and he won’t last long.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:52 am to seaniec04
Moore has his problems, but being upset with him for talking before and after plays shows a lack of understanding the type of people that play P5 and in the NFL.
They are all supremely confident and talk pretty much nonstop.
Find me a P5 player that doesn’t do this.
They are all supremely confident and talk pretty much nonstop.
Find me a P5 player that doesn’t do this.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:28 pm to wubilli
We used to shake each other hands like gentlemen. The Daniel days were a golden age of class
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:46 pm to zatetic
That Daniel team talked a ton as well.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 2:56 pm to wubilli
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I’m guessing this has more to do with your age than about Moore.
Moore was a horrible influence on the team two years running. I do feel he grew up a lot in the last year.
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