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Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:10 pm
I was in town visiting my parents this last week, and hitting up friends and was driving around and started seeing signage for a Prop A. I don't think I've ever seen election signage like this before. "Vote No" signs are everywhere. Does anyone remember an election with this much participation?
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:45 am to SEC. 593
It's the bill to turn Missouri right to work but, not just signs there are radio commercials (with John goodman), TV commercials, billboards everywhere I haven't really seen a lot of vote yes on prop a just vote no signs
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 12:48 am
Posted on 7/25/18 at 5:15 am to SEC. 593
My forced union dues are sure nuff buying a lot of yard signs and bumper stickers. : 
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 5:17 am
Posted on 7/25/18 at 6:54 am to moloz
Those forced union dues are also helping keep wages and benefits at a reasonably competitive level. Right to work really just means the right to work for peanuts with no benefits or protections. Right to work sets workers back over a hundred years. Due your research and look at the dismal results to workers in other states that have passed it.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 7:08 am to kevind1965
The problem is, I'm forced to be a part of a union that has absolutely nothing to do with the work that I do. I'm not a craft or trades person yet I'm forced to pay dues to a union that does not represent my interests or bargain with my job interests in mind. Think of it as the book keeper/accountant at an electrical contractor being forced to be a member of IBEW. It's kinda like that and it doesn't make sense for me or my family. Cheers 
ETA: My union can do absolutely nothing when the company I work for decides to move the work that I do to a right to work state or flat out eliminates my position. The company does it all the time. On the other hand, the craft employees cannot be moved or eliminated and therein lies the problem with people like me forced to pay dues to a union that can do nothing to protect my job.
ETA: My union can do absolutely nothing when the company I work for decides to move the work that I do to a right to work state or flat out eliminates my position. The company does it all the time. On the other hand, the craft employees cannot be moved or eliminated and therein lies the problem with people like me forced to pay dues to a union that can do nothing to protect my job.
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 7:14 am
Posted on 7/25/18 at 7:48 am to kevind1965
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Those forced union dues are also helping keep wages and benefits at a reasonably competitive level. Right to work really just means the right to work for peanuts with no benefits or protections. Right to work sets workers back over a hundred years. Due your research and look at the dismal results to workers in other states that have passed it.
Forced Union Dues are a scam. Only people the Unions care about are the dudes at the top.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:00 am to moloz
I have absolutely no dog in the fight. With that said, that seems like an issue that can be solved without tossing the baby out with the bathwater with regards to unions.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:12 am to SEC. 593
I don't have a problem with the trades people having their union and bargaining for their interests. Their interests are separate from mine, yet I'm forced to help fill their coffers. Furthermore, I've been around long enough and through enough contracts to know that the union never gains anything in contract negotiations.
No worries, it is what it is friend.
No worries, it is what it is friend.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:30 am to kevind1965
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Those forced union dues are also helping keep wages and benefits at a reasonably competitive level.
There were 226,000 union members in Missouri as of 2017 (as an aside, they lost over 10% of members in one year). There’s over 2.6M people employed in Missouri.
Union membership isn’t keeping wages competitive in Missouri.
This is about putting a foot on the throat of unions for Republicans and stopping the bleeding of union membership for Democrats. It’s mostly for show. The enacting of right to work wouldn’t have been some huge economic boon for the state. Repealing it won’t be a huge win for workers.
Life will continue on and people, in the main, will continue to earn what they’re worth.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:47 am to kevind1965
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Right to work really just means the right to work for peanuts with no benefits or protections. Right to work sets workers back over a hundred years. Due your research and look at the dismal results to workers in other states that have passed it.
I live in a right to work state (for the past 17+ years) and none of what you said is accurate. Hell I moved to Florida because the salaries here were higher than everywhere else (when you factor in other things like no state income tax, cost of living, etc).
Don't you live in Orlando?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 4:55 pm to the808bass
Over 80% of the highest paid people where I am from are all in Unions. The county voted over 80% for Trump.
The reason Unions are losing members is because manufacturing is losing employees. A lot of these businesses are not closing they are just using more automation.
I don’t know if Prop A is good or bad for Missouri. Each state is different and most of that depends on the employers of the state.
6 or 7 of the top 50 employers in Missouri have unions. Most union employers have less of than 10,000 employees. SSM(non-Union) is ranked 4th largest employer with around 20,000 employees in Missouri and around 35,000 in four different states.
Largest Union employers
Boeing
Ranked 6th
Ford
Ranked 11th
UPS
Ranked 16th
GM
Ranked 26th
Ameren
Ranked 34th around 8,200
employees
Honeywell
Ranked 45th No sure if it has Unions in Missouri
Purina
Ranked 48th
The reason Unions are losing members is because manufacturing is losing employees. A lot of these businesses are not closing they are just using more automation.
I don’t know if Prop A is good or bad for Missouri. Each state is different and most of that depends on the employers of the state.
6 or 7 of the top 50 employers in Missouri have unions. Most union employers have less of than 10,000 employees. SSM(non-Union) is ranked 4th largest employer with around 20,000 employees in Missouri and around 35,000 in four different states.
Largest Union employers
Boeing
Ranked 6th
Ford
Ranked 11th
UPS
Ranked 16th
GM
Ranked 26th
Ameren
Ranked 34th around 8,200
employees
Honeywell
Ranked 45th No sure if it has Unions in Missouri
Purina
Ranked 48th
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 7:29 pm to MizzouBS
Every employer you listed has craft or trade employees that are unionized. Great for the sheet metal workers and the electrical workers. Now tell me about their IT people, supply chain, etc. that are forced to pay dues to a union just because we work for the same company. I’d think the union folks would work only for the skilled workers they represent. Instead, they extort money from people they don’t represent and spend it on issues those employees don’t agree with.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:15 pm to moloz
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Now tell me about their IT people, supply chain, etc. that are forced to pay dues to a union just because we work for the same company. I’d think the union folks would work only for the skilled workers they represent. Instead, they extort money from people they don’t represent and spend it on issues those employees don’t agree with.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:16 pm to MizzouBS
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Over 80% of the highest paid people where I am from are all in Unions.
Good luck in the boonies.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 9:43 pm to moloz
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Every employer you listed has craft or trade employees that are unionized. Great for the sheet metal workers and the electrical workers. Now tell me about their IT people, supply chain, etc. that are forced to pay dues to a union just because we work for the same company. I’d think the union folks would work only for the skilled workers they represent. Instead, they extort money from people they don’t represent and spend it on issues those employees don’t agree with.
Are you getting health care and a pension in the deal or is it strictly them taking dues?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 9:52 pm to MizzouBS
I'm in the UAW and our Union is far from what it used to be. All the UAW is now is a business feeding off its members. It's pretty bad when our international reps are going around telling the locals to use scare tactics on the membership to vote yes on the first and worst deal during contract negotions. Or when the UAW refuses to strike because they have stocks heavily invested in GM.
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 9:58 pm to Mizz-SEC
I lost my pension 6 years ago with the promise of a double company match to my 401k. Three years ago on the subsequent union contract my double company match was reduced to a 1x company match and I lost two paid floating holidays per year.
I did get a .23 per hour raise which fails to cover the monthly increase in my union dues.
ETA: my healthcare plan is no different than any other non-represented employee.
I did get a .23 per hour raise which fails to cover the monthly increase in my union dues.
ETA: my healthcare plan is no different than any other non-represented employee.
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:24 pm to moloz
All those hating unions do not understand history, study the 1800's and pre-Union workforce.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:33 pm to moloz
I don’t know shite about Unions. I took a class about Unions in college 20 years ago, but I don’t remember anything about the class and don’t know how Unions work. Like I said I don’t know if it is right or wrong for Missouri. It has to be frustrating to pay due’s and not get any benefit from those due’s. It’s probably not beneficial for most people, but for some it is a necessity.
I know my brother-in-low has to pay his due’s, but he does have better and cheaper medical and dental insurance. They also make more money than most people with college degree’s. I guy I went to high school with is a superintendent and makes over $300,000 a year with no college. That is in a county where the median income for a household is less than $32,000.
I always vote, but I will probably leave that box blank.
I know my brother-in-low has to pay his due’s, but he does have better and cheaper medical and dental insurance. They also make more money than most people with college degree’s. I guy I went to high school with is a superintendent and makes over $300,000 a year with no college. That is in a county where the median income for a household is less than $32,000.
I always vote, but I will probably leave that box blank.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 6:01 am to Tackle74
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All those hating unions do not understand history, study the 1800's and pre-Union workforce.
Unions have served their purpose; they only give a shite about themselves now (OK for awhile now).
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