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re: Mizzou vs Creighton scrimmage from Saturday

Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:12 pm to
Posted by Literalist
Minnesota
Member since Oct 2014
3651 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:12 pm to
All coaches "really like the freshman class."

Can you imagine one saying, "Whoa, we really fricked up recruiting these spastic idiots?"
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:57 pm to
Behind the scenes last year the coaches were concerned about scoring and shooting. This year not really.
I think this is a 15 win team this year. Which will get KA a third season. If there are no defections from the critical players then year 3 Mizzou into the 20 win range.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:58 pm to
Who scores on this team outside of Clark?

More importantly, who rebounds?

The same flaws from last years team still exist in this one. Except somehow we got even younger.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 3:36 pm to
Gant's development will be key to both of those questions. If he can match or come close to what J3 did last year.
Wright is also a likely candidate to be a double figure scorer.
Posted by mizslu314
Dirty STL
Member since Sep 2013
16788 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 3:39 pm to
Rarely do shooters not improve their shooting% each year. So Namon and Tru should be better, that gives you 3.

I've also heard Walton can hit shots.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
130254 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 4:59 pm to
quote:

Behind the scenes last year the coaches were concerned about scoring and shooting. This year not really.


Is this inside info or hindsight is 20/20 information? Will we hear next year that "last year the coaches were concerned about rebounding and scoring?"
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
130254 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 5:01 pm to
If Gant can match JW3's production and Puryear can match Gant's and Walton can match Teki's and Isbell can match Shamburger and Rosburg can match Post's, we get another 9 win season.

We need quantum leaps. Not gradual improvements.
Posted by Literalist
Minnesota
Member since Oct 2014
3651 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 5:07 pm to
quote:

We need quantum leaps. Not gradual improvements.


Every year with gradual improvement gives HCKA another year...to a point.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 5:19 pm to
From what I have been told the offense will be much more efficient this year. J3 had good stats, but his efficiency was really bad. Supposedly Gant has improved so that he can get similar numbers in a far more efficient manner. He also had 6-7 blocks in the scrimmage.

Isabel's improvement in addition to newcomers Phillips & Walton will give Mizzou's offense a dynamic that it didn't have last year. This will require the finishers easier shots. Both Wright & Gant are expected to have to do less ball handling this year.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
130254 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 5:20 pm to
The offense has to be more efficient. It almost can't get worse. And I mean that quite literally.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 6:21 pm to
Gant will have to double his output to just match JW3, much less actually be any good. If JW3 was trash like many suggest, then I suppose if Gant only averages 11 ppg and 7 rpg he too will be trash. That's asking a lot of him to triple his output to be considered good.

And I'm a Gant fan. I thought he'd be one of our better players last year. Sitting out may have hampered that a bit.

Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 6:32 pm to
J3 & Clark both basically doubled their output from their freshman year.

Why couldn't Gant, Wright, & Isabel do the same? All have shown flashes of it, something that J3 & Clark did as freshmen as well.

I don't expect this team to be good, but do think they will be better than last year. Some of that is due to players developing, some the coaches developing.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 6:45 pm to
Well we do return 32.5 ppg. So there is that. If every one doubles their output and the freshmen contribute here and there we may be get as high as 234th nationally in ppg. Big improvement from 321st.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 6:46 pm to
quote:

Why couldn't Gant,


Didn't say he couldn't. I said according to some here, he would still be trash if he does that. J3 and all ya know.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 6:58 pm to
It's too bad J3 left. He was the best player on the team last year, and by his senior year will be an all-conference type of player. He was forced into a role last year that he wasn't ready for.
He averaged 18 & 10 during a majority of the noncon last year. Another year and he might of been able to do that all year.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 2:04 am to
quote:

Well we do return 32.5 ppg. So there is that. If every one doubles their output and the freshmen contribute here and there we may be get as high as 234th nationally in ppg. Big improvement from 321st.


Posted by mutigerz
Ballwin, MO
Member since Nov 2013
846 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 11:36 am to
quote:

It's too bad J3 left. He was the best player on the team last year, and by his senior year will be an all-conference type of player. He was forced into a role last year that he wasn't ready for.
He averaged 18 & 10 during a majority of the noncon last year. Another year and he might of been able to do that all year.




No, No, NO. Do you mean 18 shot attempts and 10 turnvoers? Maybe then

JW3 was soft. Not a post player and thought of himself as a SF who could shoot 3's. He was lucky he wasn't called for traveling more...because he did that all the time.

Role? He is 6'9" and should have been playing in the post. But he sucked in the post.
Posted by mosoblkcougar
Kansas City
Member since Oct 2013
1248 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 11:42 am to
People love to hate in J3 because he was smart and left a sinking ship. He has a very similar game to Bowers, who was universally loved by Mizzou fans. It's always the same, we hate the ones who leave and pretend they sucked even though it was clear they were the best we had. You wanna blame someone for sucking, blame the other players around him and KA for his crappy scheme.
Posted by mutigerz
Ballwin, MO
Member since Nov 2013
846 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 12:00 pm to
WRONG, my disliking of JW3 was never questioned. I would have never recruited him. He wasn't a good player and to even slightly compare him to Bowers is ridiculous
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
130254 posts
Posted on 10/29/15 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

He wasn't a good player and to even slightly compare him to Bowers is ridiculous


His production as a sophomore was higher than Bowers. His range as a sophomore was probably better than Bowers.

He'll be a really solid addition to Gonzaga. But they have a D1 coach.
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