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Lets talk about our talent on defense
Posted on 11/20/16 at 8:40 am
Posted on 11/20/16 at 8:40 am
Here's how I grade them
DLine-C: You can live with it. Not great but hardly the most of our problems
LB-D: Simply below average. Not fast, but not as bad as I thought.
Secondary- D-: just bad. Penton has regressed so much, and he's our best player back there. They had no chance vs Dobbs in the open field. If we were playing the 2008 sooners they would get 70 in 3 quarters
DLine-C: You can live with it. Not great but hardly the most of our problems
LB-D: Simply below average. Not fast, but not as bad as I thought.
Secondary- D-: just bad. Penton has regressed so much, and he's our best player back there. They had no chance vs Dobbs in the open field. If we were playing the 2008 sooners they would get 70 in 3 quarters
Posted on 11/20/16 at 9:16 am to MizzouTrue
The sad thing is that Arkansas has an even worse defense, other then our DBs who have played well for the most part this season. We aren't just bad at run D, we still have a shot at being the worst run defense squad in the modern era of college football.
Unless this topsy turvy season has one more trick up its sleeve this one is going to be a shoot out.
Unless this topsy turvy season has one more trick up its sleeve this one is going to be a shoot out.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 9:24 am to Arksulli
We could gain 600 yards, have 42 mins of TOP, and still lose to Ark by 20
Posted on 11/20/16 at 9:38 am to MizzouTrue
Darn it I need more caffeine in my blood stream, went to upvote your post and hit mine instead. Bah.
One thing I will say with near certainty is that Arkansas, with Bert's beloved crawl ball style is that we will win TOP. We might lose by 50 but we will win TOP even if it kills us.
Missouri's D Line has to get pressure on Austin Allen for y'all to win this game. The good news for y'all... that is pretty easy to do against our O Line. That and shut down our running game.
If we get our running game going well enough to fully open up our play action passing attack Arkansas is very difficult to stop with Dan Enos calling plays.
One thing I will say with near certainty is that Arkansas, with Bert's beloved crawl ball style is that we will win TOP. We might lose by 50 but we will win TOP even if it kills us.
Missouri's D Line has to get pressure on Austin Allen for y'all to win this game. The good news for y'all... that is pretty easy to do against our O Line. That and shut down our running game.
If we get our running game going well enough to fully open up our play action passing attack Arkansas is very difficult to stop with Dan Enos calling plays.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 9:48 am to Arksulli
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shut down our running game.
We're not stopping anything or anyone.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 2:30 pm to MizzouTrue
IMO, moving Ford from the DB's has hurt the team badly. His DBs could always tackle.
I thought the DL looked good. Harris and Frazier were all over the place. Howard is back now that the scheme has changed. Their QB is just a hell of a runner.
The LB position has not been recruited well for years. Gooden, Spoon and Brothers were great athletes, but for some reason the coaches won't recruit that formula on a consistent basis.
I thought the DL looked good. Harris and Frazier were all over the place. Howard is back now that the scheme has changed. Their QB is just a hell of a runner.
The LB position has not been recruited well for years. Gooden, Spoon and Brothers were great athletes, but for some reason the coaches won't recruit that formula on a consistent basis.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 9:31 pm to surgicalvenom
Ford's work in STL recruiting is the only reason he isn't in Fayette coaching with Brian Jones. I respect the doors he worked to open back up but he was at best a mediocre CB coach.
The play of the safeties has been putrid and none of the guys from the 2013 and 2014 classes have shown much. Sherrills has regressed and Wilson has never impressed me. He reminds me of Matt White. Tavon Ross can't get on the field and he had a bunch of schools that tried to get in late on him. Walters has done a lot of leg work recruiting but he doesn't appear to be the coach that Grinch was.
The play of the safeties has been putrid and none of the guys from the 2013 and 2014 classes have shown much. Sherrills has regressed and Wilson has never impressed me. He reminds me of Matt White. Tavon Ross can't get on the field and he had a bunch of schools that tried to get in late on him. Walters has done a lot of leg work recruiting but he doesn't appear to be the coach that Grinch was.
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 10:07 pm to MizzouTrue
DL- pretty scary stuff here going into next year. Lose Harris, Augusta and Hatley from the rotation and Beckner will be coming back from his second ACL. Badly need guys like Howard and Moore (as a DT) to take the next step
LB- thought we'd be better here, but injuries have really hurt us as well. Losing Scherer hurts. Burkett not so much. I like the way Biesel has played, and Garret looks like he can be a quality player. Still think we have some depth here and upside. Lee needs to get bigger and stronger. Hall needs to get healthy. Agbasimere catching on would help greatly with his athleticism and Aubrey Miller is IMO our best recruit in this class.
DB- lose both our corners, and I strongly disagree about Penton. He has been really good. He'll get drafted and we'll miss him dearly. I think I've seen Gibson play one good game ever, so that loss doesn't worry me. What does though is what we have behind them. I expect Cheadle to start though I'm not real big on him. Acy and Holmes are two bigger corners we need to step up. The safeties are also a spot I thought we'd be better. Wilson is just a brutal tackler and Sherrills has been a big disappointment. I think Perkins has done ok for a FR and I still believe Hilton is going to be VERY good but he has to tackle much better. Won't lose anyone here, so you will probably have a similar rotation. HAVE to get better here.
Overall, we are going to have several question marks and possibly some glaring holes. Going to have to a lot of guys play better, and get a scheme in here that works.
Going to be tough.
LB- thought we'd be better here, but injuries have really hurt us as well. Losing Scherer hurts. Burkett not so much. I like the way Biesel has played, and Garret looks like he can be a quality player. Still think we have some depth here and upside. Lee needs to get bigger and stronger. Hall needs to get healthy. Agbasimere catching on would help greatly with his athleticism and Aubrey Miller is IMO our best recruit in this class.
DB- lose both our corners, and I strongly disagree about Penton. He has been really good. He'll get drafted and we'll miss him dearly. I think I've seen Gibson play one good game ever, so that loss doesn't worry me. What does though is what we have behind them. I expect Cheadle to start though I'm not real big on him. Acy and Holmes are two bigger corners we need to step up. The safeties are also a spot I thought we'd be better. Wilson is just a brutal tackler and Sherrills has been a big disappointment. I think Perkins has done ok for a FR and I still believe Hilton is going to be VERY good but he has to tackle much better. Won't lose anyone here, so you will probably have a similar rotation. HAVE to get better here.
Overall, we are going to have several question marks and possibly some glaring holes. Going to have to a lot of guys play better, and get a scheme in here that works.
Going to be tough.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 10:17 pm to JesusQuintana
Any word on Utsey's injury?
He had been playing ok the last couple weeks.
A starting CB is probably not on the roster yet. I have liked what I have seen from Acy, though I might like him more as a nickel/safety.
Prewitt may be a starter at safety, or maybe Taylor works into that spot this spring.
He had been playing ok the last couple weeks.
A starting CB is probably not on the roster yet. I have liked what I have seen from Acy, though I might like him more as a nickel/safety.
Prewitt may be a starter at safety, or maybe Taylor works into that spot this spring.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 10:26 pm to wubilli
We could use a couple of JUCO guys for sure. At DT and CB specifically.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 10:49 pm to JesusQuintana
Wingo was a highly rated CB coming out of HS. They aren't using him much on offense so maybe it is time to move him where help is needed - if he is willing.
Posted on 11/20/16 at 10:57 pm to JesusQuintana
Penton leads the league in pass break ups and completion % allowed on balls targeted to his WR.
Holmes and Acy have all of the things that can't be coached and Brown has had success getting solid production out of similar players. Cheadle is underwhelming and there aren't any other good options on the roster. Going to have to go young next year outside.
Holmes and Acy have all of the things that can't be coached and Brown has had success getting solid production out of similar players. Cheadle is underwhelming and there aren't any other good options on the roster. Going to have to go young next year outside.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:23 am to navynuke
Everyone has a chance to prove themselves on Friday.
No player should want to give Barry Odom incentive to promise playing time out on the recruiting trail this off season.
If that's what it takes though....
No player should want to give Barry Odom incentive to promise playing time out on the recruiting trail this off season.
If that's what it takes though....
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:15 am to wubilli
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Any word on Utsey's injury?
Out this week; knee injury but I haven't heard how severe yet.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 12:24 pm to MizzouTrue
I think we will be ok on dline. Our linebackers are small, slow, and not particularly instinctual. They look like the good teams safeties but can't move very fast and in short are terrible. I don't think we have a fix at this point. I had high hopes for Agbasmiere but he must just be horrible to not have seen the field this year.
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