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Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:04 pm to surgicalvenom
I remember when they sold gambling in MIssouri by promising the money to the schools.
Kept the promise, but they moved existing funding for schools to different areas so the schools came out even.
It's all a shell game.
Kept the promise, but they moved existing funding for schools to different areas so the schools came out even.
It's all a shell game.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 7:16 am to surgicalvenom
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So the state of Kansas lobbied for a lottery to help fund schools in Kansas. But now they want to take those funds to pay for a billionaires stadium over the next 30 years?
All while saying their public schools are underfunded.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:05 am to SEC. 593
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Most casual fans wouldn't know but Hunt lobbied against the Cardinals, the Expansion effort, and Rams all coming to a d then for eventually moving from the city.
Yep. I'm old enough to remember some of that. He had a hand in lobbying against any state funding help for the Cardinals and potential move out to Maryland Heights stadium location from downtown. The Cardinals ended up in Arizona soon after.
Clark Hunt was the lone "no vote" (5-1 for the proposal) for the Carson Stadium project by NFL LA Relocation Committee that would have kept the Rams in St Louis and moved the Chargers and Raiders to L.A.
It's crazy to me we have "diehard" Chiefs fans in St Louis considering the Chiefs ownership's active anti-St Louis NFL sentiment over the years.
frick the Hunts.
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 9:25 am
Posted on 6/28/24 at 12:35 am to TrueLefty
Parson said the state will come up with a plan by the end of the year to try to keep both.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 11:08 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
I hope the St Louis area state politicians make it as painful to pull off as the KC politicians did during the Rams stadium process in 2014.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 1:20 pm to kilo
While I understand the sentiment, that would be the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. STL deserves an NFL team but it doesn’t mean we should run the Chiefs out of town too.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 11:30 pm to KCM0Tiger
Pro teams don't contribute economically, especially if they are corporate welfare recipients.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 12:00 am to KCM0Tiger
It's not really "running them off." Fans can still attend games. Part time employees can keep their Sunday gigs. It's really just a question of which states population shoulders the debt load.
The bottom line is should the public be first in line to build a 2 to 3 billion dollar home for a sports team and receive no equity or benefit. If Oakland is brave enough to tell the Raiders NO, Missouri can tell the Hunts no.
How about a 3 billion dollar investment in a campus for military drone research and production, or highly efficient solar panels or mass production of synthetic diamonds to replace silicon based chips. Something that makes jobs and puts the state at the top of an industry with a product that can be exported to the world.
The bottom line is should the public be first in line to build a 2 to 3 billion dollar home for a sports team and receive no equity or benefit. If Oakland is brave enough to tell the Raiders NO, Missouri can tell the Hunts no.
How about a 3 billion dollar investment in a campus for military drone research and production, or highly efficient solar panels or mass production of synthetic diamonds to replace silicon based chips. Something that makes jobs and puts the state at the top of an industry with a product that can be exported to the world.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 12:52 pm to surgicalvenom
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How about a 3 billion dollar investment in a campus for military drone research and production, or highly efficient solar panels or mass production of synthetic diamonds to replace silicon based chips. Something that makes jobs and puts the state at the top of an industry with a product that can be exported to the world.
Not to split hairs, but there is no way any community lands something of this nature without heavily subsidizing or giving tax breaks. Is it apples and oranges compared to stadiums- yes - and in the end at least provides good paying jobs.
But corporate welfare exists on many fronts. And is prominent in the KC metro area. The Chiefs/Royals is a great example of corporations using the state line in KC to negotiate better deals to relocate, and pit MO v KS.
It’s all gross and hurts taxpayers in the end.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 1:34 pm to KCM0Tiger
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While I understand the sentiment, that would be the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Outside of bragging rights/egos, I'm not sure I would agree. Wasn't it short-sighted on the KC politician's part knowing that at some point the Royals and Chiefs would come knocking looking for aid for new stadiums and they would need St Louis political support?
I don't want to see the Chiefs or Royals move to kansas but they would still be in the market. They are not moving to another city.
K.C.'s political attitude towards these issues on the St Louis professional sports items has not gone unnoticed. They fight it in unison every time.
Enterprise Center in the 90's. Enterprise Center's three-phased renovation in 2016.
Busch III
Football Cardinals stadium
MLS stadium
Rams stadium
Every step of the way a K.C. contingent was against State money going into these projects.
It's difficult not to expect back in return when it's their turn at the handout line.
It's nothing against KC, its teams, or its people. I love KC. Great place.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 2:25 pm to everytrueson
I don't mind subsidizing the project. But the Kansas proposal puts the public dollars front and center. Their proposal isn't a subsidy, it's a 70% upfront welfare payment. This means Missouri will have to respond with an even larger proposal.
How about this. The Hunts put together a 2.5 billion dollar package of their own money, investor finance, and NFL loans, and then let MO and KS propose packages for the remaining amounts including proposed locations, tax breaks and parking construction. That to me seems a more reasonable response for the public.
How about this. The Hunts put together a 2.5 billion dollar package of their own money, investor finance, and NFL loans, and then let MO and KS propose packages for the remaining amounts including proposed locations, tax breaks and parking construction. That to me seems a more reasonable response for the public.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:09 am to SEC. 593
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He was lobbying for the Bidwell family to move them to Atlanta, and then was going to block any further movement into the city.
It was sweet karma watching him give the coin toss at Super Bowl XXXIV in Atlanta while his team was stuck with the underachieving Marty Schottenheimer.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:12 am to kilo
quote:Americans are front runners. Always have been.
It's crazy to me we have "diehard" Chiefs fans in St Louis considering the Chiefs ownership's active anti-St Louis NFL sentiment over the years. frick the Hunts.
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