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re: Johnny Manziel Could Be Done
Posted on 8/6/13 at 7:52 pm to semotruman
Posted on 8/6/13 at 7:52 pm to semotruman
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he signed a contract when he accepted his scholarship saying he would abide by NCAA rules and cooperate with them if they ever felt the need to investigate; this includes providing info like bank statements, cell phone records, etc. Whether you think the rules are fair or not doesn't matter - he agreed to abide by them while he is a student athlete.
Interesting. I never realized there was language like this when accepting a scholarship. Is this part of the LOI?
For the record, it's all bull shite. Every last bit of it. But that's the NCAA I guess.
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Posted on 8/6/13 at 8:01 pm to Remote Controlled
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Interesting. I never realized there was language like this when accepting a scholarship. Is this part of the LOI?
It's just part of being an NCAA athlete. D3 athletes that get no scholarship must abide by the same bylaws. It's all about keeping your amateur status, can't make money off your trade. Can't gamble on sports, can't do a lot of things.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 8:04 pm to Remote Controlled
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For the record, it's all bull shite. Every last bit of it. But that's the NCAA I guess.
Which is why we're on the cusp of 'seismic' changes.
As someone that got paid nothing for my time, and saw a school grow in popularity bc of sports... I still think athletes shouldn't be paid.
D1 athletes in revenue creating sports (but then it gets tricky bc LSU baseball generates revenue but MU does not) should get full living expenses paid. They should get things like NCAA vid games for free ect.
As it is right now they have it pretty good. Living allowances, food allowances, free food on campus, ect ect. Plus the cost of tuition, which for 99% of athletes is more than fair.
This post was edited on 8/6/13 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 8/6/13 at 8:17 pm to mograyback
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It's just part of being an NCAA athlete
I thought it was in the scholarship language, but I could be wrong. Either way, he agreed to play an NCAA sport, and has to abide by the rules, even if he doesn't like them.
At this point, if I were advising A&M, I'd say to cut ties with him and focus on this season. They still have a very good team, even without him.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 8:20 pm to semotruman
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At this point, if I were advising A&M, I'd say to cut ties with him and focus on this season. They still have a very good team, even without him.
Easier said than done. Can't just gas a guy bc of allegations like these.
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I thought it was in the scholarship language, but I could be wrong. Either way, he agreed to play an NCAA sport, and has to abide by the rules, even if he doesn't like them.
May well be in there too, but it's an NCAA rule.
Imagine if the walk on turned star was able to profit and the scholly player was left to eat Ramen Noodles. It's a rule for all NCAA athletes.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 8:28 pm to semotruman
I like the idea of someone standing up to the hypocrisy of the NCAA.
Its his name, and selling it shouldn't make him a "professional".
If they aren't going to pay these guys for their services, and by pay I mean a salary representative of what they earn for the NCAA, then let them earn in other ways based on their abilities.
Its time for the NCAA to end the sham, call it what it is. Minor League Football.
Its his name, and selling it shouldn't make him a "professional".
If they aren't going to pay these guys for their services, and by pay I mean a salary representative of what they earn for the NCAA, then let them earn in other ways based on their abilities.
Its time for the NCAA to end the sham, call it what it is. Minor League Football.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 8:32 pm to mograyback
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Imagine if the walk on turned star was able to profit and the scholly player was left to eat Ramen Noodles. It's a rule for all NCAA athletes.
That makes total sense.
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Can't just gas a guy bc of allegations like these.
it seems to be more than just some "allegations" right now.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 8:38 pm to semotruman
Posted on 8/6/13 at 8:38 pm to Remote Controlled
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Its time for the NCAA to end the sham, call it what it is. Minor League Football.
Which is why the NCAA probably won't be associated with college football in the future.
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If they aren't going to pay these guys for their services, and by pay I mean a salary representative of what they earn for the NCAA, then let them earn in other ways based on their abilities.
Only a few guys are really making them major money. There are only a few JFFs. 96% of college football players are just joe-shmoes. 99.99% of NCAA athletes are just joe-shmoes. And for those joe-shmoes full cost of tuition, free clothes, free food, housing allowance ect is more than fair. A lot of people don't think about that.
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Its his name, and selling it shouldn't make him a "professional".
You probably should be able to simply sign your name and be paid if someone wants to pay you for it. But its a rule for good reason. If it was legal to do that it would be exploited in a heartbeat. The college game is best the way it is... it's too bad that it will likely change.
There almost needs to be a players union for NCAA athletes, a unified entity to stand up to the NCAA. Unions suck, but the NCAA has gotten to the point it needs to be brought down a few notches.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 8:44 pm to semotruman
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it seems to be more than just some "allegations" right now.
True. But really hard to say goodbye to the best player in college sports without the NCAA mandating it. IFF he was accused of rape, murder, stealing or anything of that nature.... I could understand letting him go before NCAA ruled on it.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 8:52 pm to mograyback
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Only a few guys are really making them major money.
This is true.
It really is a mess. Maybe everyone gets a 401k fund and medical services for life. I don't have a good answer, I just know it doesn't seem fair for guys to be ineligible for selling their rings, trophies, autographs, etc.
As we know though, such is life, shite ain't fair.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 9:00 pm to Remote Controlled
It's a real sticky situation. If it gets to where athletes can sell their name "ie autograph signings for money, pay for appearance" what's to say boosters wont tell athletes hey come here and I'll give you X amount of dollars for this or that. With that being said. Colleges should not be able to sell the athlete either. I don't know the best solution for jerseys. But knowing that A&M made $20,000 for a dinner with Johnny football is ridiculous and should not be allowed. As for a salary for athletes. If the school starts paying them. That athlete should then be required to pay tuition IMO. They should not get both.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 9:01 pm to Remote Controlled
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It really is a mess. Maybe everyone gets a 401k fund and medical services for life
Something along these lines I could def support.
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I don't have a good answer, I just know it doesn't seem fair for guys to be ineligible for selling their rings, trophies, autographs, etc.
As we know though, such is life, shite ain't fair.
Save your rings and trophies, sell them when you're done. Of course that doesn't buy you stuff when you're a relatively poor student. BUT if you're a normal kid, you're provided more than enough to enjoy your time in college. JFF wanted new rims....
Most guys that can make good money from autographs ect will be making big money in the near future anyway. Some get hurt, such is life... as you said.
And yes, it really is a mess. Almost any solution comes with 2 new problems. Very hard to make this fair. No easy button for this issue.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 9:02 pm to Mizzou23
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It's a real sticky situation. If it gets to where athletes can sell their name "ie autograph signings for money, pay for appearance" what's to say boosters wont tell athletes hey come here and I'll give you X amount of dollars for this or that.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 9:25 pm to mograyback
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JFF wanted new rims....
I thought he came from money.
So, he wants rims, he goes to daddy. Daddy says "no." JFF says, "Fine, I'll get those rims if it's the last thing I do." And like any dumb 20 year old, ruins his eligibility because he wanted something he didn't need in the first place. I mean let's be honest. Rims? Really?
If this is the case, and not some made up shite from tRant then, well, someone needs to explain to him that aftermarket rims do nothing for the re-sale value of a car, and that in fact a car is almost always a depreciating asset.
He should've used that money to invest in the stock market, or perhaps a down payment on a rental property in College Station.
For our sakes, and his, let's hope he's smarter with his unethically obtained fees for service in the future, and betters his financial purview going forward.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 9:45 pm to Remote Controlled
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someone needs to explain to him that aftermarket rims do nothing for the re-sale value of a car, and that in fact a car is almost always a depreciating asset.
Read the rims bit on one of the stories. Apparently one of the brokers that is talking said he wanted new rims, so who knows.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:01 pm to mograyback
Ferraris are very sound investments that do not depreciate. Trust me...I know this for a fact.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:05 pm to mizzoukills
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Ferraris are very sound investments that do not depreciate.
There are always exceptions to the rule.
However, I will posit that $5,700 would not buy aftermarket rims for a Ferrari.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:01 am to Remote Controlled
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I thought he came from money.
So, he wants rims, he goes to daddy. Daddy says "no." JFF says, "Fine, I'll get those rims if it's the last thing I do." And like any dumb 20 year old, ruins his eligibility because he wanted something he didn't need in the first place. I mean let's be honest. Rims? Really?
Jesus fricking Christ I'm livid at him if this was even a small part of his "reason" for doing this.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 4:11 am to Mizzou23
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If the school starts paying them. That athlete should then be required to pay tuition IMO. They should not get both.
This. Exactly this. Student athletes already get so many benefits. And while this sounds a bit harsh but there are other ways to get to the NFL other than CFB. Not saying it's easier but if the money means that much there are other ways. Its just crazy these athletes get free room and board free classes free books free food. Seems like a sweet deal to me. Then after 3 years they will have a chance to make a crazy amount of money.
As far as this case goes I do not feel sorry for Johnny Football. He isn't even a student athlete that comes from an impoverished family. He wasn't hurting for money, his own greed was his downfall. Poor guy couldn't just play the game for the love of the game. Pathetic
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